(07-15-2021 10:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 09:59 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 08:19 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 07:45 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Not a denial, though. Just a statement that you are open minded and maybe will decide later.

A statement that I typically like to educate myself on a debate before I choose I side.
it does not require doctoral level research to know that either one knows why the people one stands with are saying this, or one doesn’t

In the former case, give their reasons. In the latter case, just say “no idea”. Pleading for time to do in depth research is, IMO, a cop out, enabling one to dodge the question without taking a stance.

How many times have I told you that I don't know why people are calling these voting laws racist (i.e. "I have no idea"). I have told you exactly that.

I'm not dodging the question. I told you that you may be right about the "racist nature" of these voting laws. I'm just not going to do homework assignments on your behalf. I am quite sure there is plenty of information out there as to why people are calling these voting laws racist. You likely don't agree with those arguments and that's fine.

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Quote:I would like somebody, anybody, to show me how any part of the GOP law not only suppresses voting, but specifically suppresses black voting, as the Democrats in Austin and DC allege. I don’t care if that somebody is a Democrat, but Imthink it more likely that a Dem would know or at least have an idea. Thus I turn to,you and Lad.

Thus you turn to me? Again... in order to figure out why some people think these laws are racist one would have to read those arguments. Again... this is not an intuitive concept just because I vote Democrat. Quit asking Lad and me to explain it to you. If it is such a compelling topic go read the arguments for it.
. Again, I cannot find anyplace where the arguments are enumerated. I have looked, and told you this before. All I find is Democrats saying the law is racist and suppressive, without offering any evidence. So I turn to the Democrats here, hoping they can tell me. It appears they either can’t or won’t, which does nothing to allay my feeling that this is a made up issue.

Quote:Sod off, huh? Aren’t you one of the ones who complain about the incivility here? I think the incivility and name calling flows from the left more than from the right. JMHO. But I will not stoop to the level of telling you off. I am here to discuss, not win a puerile name calling contest.

Clearly you missed the part where Tanq called me a douche recently.

I'm sorry that I was annoyed at you after explaining my position on your query multiple times and yet you continue beat the drum of "You simply can't admit the lie."

Yes, I too get annoyed at you ignoring things I have said before many times, and yet can avoid telling you to sod off, the genteel British way of saying Go F—- Yourself. The excuse that somebody else did it first is weak and puerile. Mommy, Johnny hit me so I kicked Sally.

Not excusing my comment... responding to your "the insults on this forum come from the left more than the right." You are clearly biased when it comes to this topic.

Quote:Yesterday, for the first time, I found myself wishing we had more Democrats here. Maybe one of them could have told how the proposed law was racist, and/or how it would suppress black voting. I had hoped that with your intimate knowledge of the black community, perhaps you could have told me. Might as well wished for ice cream.

I haven't discussed the voting laws with my black friends so no luck there.

I have heard very little in the way of justifying the labeling of this law racist. What little I have heard does not stand up to logic.

As for the insults, perhaps I notice them more when I am the target rather than the insulter. The conservatives rarely target me. The Democrats do so, much more often. But it could be just a perception. Maybe I should just sod off.

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Perhaps.

Quote:Ask your friends when you get a chance. Just say “asking for a friend”. But I would be interested to hear their take on things.

OK.