(07-08-2021 02:46 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-08-2021 11:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The bigger question regarding the correct route to take to tackle the right to repair question was brought up by George.

I'm not sure whether an EO or legislation is the correct route. The EO is apparently going to direct the FTC to act in a specific manner, so perhaps the EO is an appropriate way to handle this.

But if you want to fling mud at me, and accuse me of supporting Biden shitting in the lawn, go ahead and look at the mirror at your responses here. Christ on a cracker.

I'm flinging mud at your constant attempts to reframe what I said so that you can have an 'easier' target for your crap. I also fling mud at (once again by your own admission) 'stories you've read' that I'm apparently supposed to give more credence to than my personal experience with farmers and farm mechanics.

As to looking in the mirror, I said NOTHING about Biden here... What I said was I didn't understand why this wouldn't pass Congress... since as you agree with later, it has bipartisan appeal. I don't know why previous Congresses didn't address it... but I am consistently against EOs for things that CAN be resolved via legislation. Since democrats control Congress, they apparently don't want to bring a bill or an add-on to another bill forward. It makes no sense to me why they wouldn't.... and again, since they clearly WOULD get at least one Republican (and probably 20+ (if 'what you have read' is real) but they don't need ANY of them, I don't understand why an EO is needed.

YOU TELL ME why a clearly bipartisan bill already generically supported by almost everyone who doesn't work for Deere or Apple can't pass and instead we need to do an EO??

I think the problem is that the media that you read (and I've read some of it as well) would do exactly as I described if Biden were to do as I described. I implied that the media you read (and you) would still find some way to put a positive spin on something so egregious.... or I suppose, blame it on Trump (the media anyway).

You seem to think this is a great thing that Biden is doing.... which is precisely what I'm implying about him taking a dump. It's not a LITERAL dump, Lad... It's a metaphor for the way the media fawns over Biden... and what you 'read'. To paraphrase George, you have no idea if the EO is a good idea. You've been told it is and are trying to convince me to ignore my mechanic friend on the issue. As far as you REALLY know, he's just taking a dump on the lawn and the media is praising him for 'going organic' at the White House.

I personally think its a lot of hat and not much cattle.... so really mostly a snooze fest... NOT because the issue isn't potentially very important, but because it is one that is so easily addressed by other means. It's like a law requiring a belt if you are already wearing suspenders.

That said, I think that EOs should be somewhat of a 'last resort'. You do this when for a variety of reasons, you CAN'T pass legislation... because such orders are so easily rescinded... through another EO. Overturning passed legislation requires a larger lift. If it is something THIS big and THIS obvious and THIS bipartisan (what you've been lead to believe) then why wouldn't we pass a 75+% bill?? Who WOULDN"T vote for this? So to paraphrase George's second point, is this the appropriate use of an EO??

(07-08-2021 11:58 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  . It seemed like it would have bipartisan appeal, and was surprised to someone poo-pooing this proposed change.

Which only demonstrates that you don't understand the 'poo-pooing'.

If it has bipartisan appeal and is so cut and dry as you seem to think, why does it take an EO to address it?

The only reasons I can think of to not vote on a bill is because
a) you've been mislead about the issues and a floor debate would bring that to light. If this is the case, we don't know if Biden is right to do what he's done... but we DO know that apparently a lot of people think they need to lie to us about it.
b) You've been told correctly about the issues but for some reason (which I speculated about) dems (who control the entire process) don't want to vote on the record. If you don't like those options, give me another possibility.

Maybe if you'd stop focusing on ME and GUESSING what you seem to think I think... we'd all be a lot better off.

George's comments are vastly more concise than mine, but 100% in alignment IMO

Then maybe you should stop GUESSING about what me, Dems, and others think too. Some rather short googling found these answers regarding a bill and the purpose of the EO. I don't think George's comments were 100% in alignment - he didn't include anything denigrating the left or Dems that were made through presumption and guessing. If you want to actually have a conversation about whether an EO is the right path, then don't add the political commentary that is antagonistic. Whenever someone makes a sweeping claim about the opposing political side, it really derails things.

Quote:On Thursday, US Rep. Joe Morelle (D-NY) announced the Fair Repair Act, which seeks to make it easier for consumers to fix their broken electronics, without having to pay a costly sum to the original manufacturers.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/congressman-i...epair-bill

Quote:The Biden order will have the most sway over agricultural machines, since the USDA falls squarely under the executive branch while the FTC is an independent agency. As such, Biden cannot direct the FTC to guarantee right-to-repair. Rather, the executive order is part of how the branches of government engage with independent agencies.

Yet Biden’s nudge may be enough to push the FTC to focus more intently on the matter. The agency has been increasingly embracing right-to-repair over the years. In 2018, it sent warning letters to six companies, including Nintendo, Sony, and Hyundai, saying that “warranty void” stickers and “genuine parts” clauses are not allowable warranty terms. And earlier this year, the FTC showed more of its hand when it issued a report to Congress about the impacts of repair restrictions on consumers, businesses, and independent repair shops. It was blunt in its assessment: “There is scant evidence to support manufacturers’ justifications for repair restrictions,” the agency said.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021...diy-fixes/