(06-30-2021 09:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:12 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 07:41 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Lad -
Your assumption that Chauvin is guilty because a jury found him guilty flies in the face of previous rantings from the left about how disproportionate numbers and sentences of black people displays racial bias in the justice system.

Either (A), A conviction means means you are guilty, or B), it may not, even if you are a white cop.

Pick one.

I think that is a false choice you're presenting. Most notably because you're talking about how court decisions for black defendants are biased and the fact that Chauvin isn't black...

But also because when we speak in generalities, those generalities are just that - general. They aren't applicable to each individual case, as some may be outside the norm. You're presenting (once again) a binary choice that isn't binary.

I've not followed the case closely enough to get into the weeds with Tanq (who clearly has) about the ins and outs about why specific arguments from each side are valid or invalid. I can clearly do a bit of cursory research on specific statements made (like the false premise that the prosecution avoided asphyxiation - Tanq has clarified that statement to mean they pivoted away from an argument about a boot to the neck), but to go back and forth in the nitty gritty seems pointless.

I am referring to this statement of yours in post 2358:


“A jury found him guilty during this trial.”

As if that settled his true guilt or innocence, or the actual charges that should have been filed. IOW, end of discussion, as far as you are concerned.

Yes, I think his race contributed to his arrest and conviction and sentencing. Not a foreign concept to you, is that? But exactly the point I was making. I wonder how many of his 22.5 years are due to the facts that he is white and Floyd black. My guess, about 15.

I think how well the incident was documented on video is what contributed mostly to the sentencing.

My comment about the jury finding him guilty was doing what you said, ending the conversation about his "true guilt" or diving into the nitty gritty of the various arguments as to why his actions were or weren't appropriate. After seeing the vitrolic back and forth between 93 and Tanq, and between Tanq and myself, I've got no desire to do that.

Hope that helps.