(06-29-2021 09:49 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  This argument over 'what is lethal' in terms of Fentanyl is ridiculous if you will forgive me. We can't argue that he died from a knee to the upper torso and not add all of the comorbidities... and you can't talk about Fentanyl and ignore the use. I see people talking about 'developing a resistance'... well, the body certainly learns to adapt to maintain life, but those adaptations are still damaging to the body. They just don't allow you to get 'high'. People act as if 0.7mcg will kill you but 0.699mcg will not. That's not how it works... AT ALL. If you've never taken it, a TINY amount could kill you because it shocks the system. If you take it all the time, the AMOUNT doesn't really matter... you've been abusing your body for perhaps decades and 'the next' mcg you take could be the one that your body can't handle anymore. You don't die from the 'SHOCK' that a first time user would have... you die from the body simply wearing out... the artery finally giving way... etc etc etc. If the amount didn't kill him by shock, it would have killed him by simply wearing him out.

As the MEs report very clearly says, it was the COMBINATION of factors that killed him... and Chauvin was only responsible for one single factor.

In my mind, the ONLY reason he's responsible is because it seems clear he broke protocol and I don't see/didn't hear a compelling argument as to 'why'. ''Right' or not... there was NO REASON to expect that what Chauvin did would kill someone without those other factors... and the MEs report supports that.

We can't argue both sides... that Fentanyl played NO part, but pressure that DIDN'T cause hypoxia was THE cause? OR that Fentanyl was the cause, and pressure didn't play ANY part.

I didn't say that Fentanyl didn't play a part in his death... I'm saying that Floyd lives THAT day without the unreasonable actions of Chauvain.

Tanq then delved very deep in the science of Fentanyl (4-5x LD50, etc) and that's the part I'm trying to understand.