(06-28-2021 06:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think you were misinterpreting my comments. I didn't think that his heart was "healthy" but I'm not sure it was an extremely delicate situation either.

Well golly gee willikers, you werent even sure he had problems that were aside from the ordinary when this started.

Quote:I don't think the autopsy report suggested signs of chronic heart failure?

It was in there when you look for it. The report on the heart listed the issues, albeit in dry, clinical terms. Maybe not 'heart failure' but he did have very severe heart disease, very clogged cardiac veins, various signs of atrophy, and a very enlarged heart due to the overexertion that it had to do to keep up.

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Quote:Or had Floyd not ingested a crap ton of fentanyl just prior to his arrest, I dont think I would noting what I do.

But you? You try to downplay anything that cuts against your preconceived narrative I think. Interesting that.

Do you not think that you do the same thing?

Please do tell what I am doing so, oh sage master of all.

Quote:As to the Fentanyl... what would you say if he had been abusing Fentanyl for years and the 11 mcg/mL (or whatever it was) was pretty much a steady-state for him? Does that change your approach to this discussion?

What if space aliens gave it to him? I mean, given all the 'what ifs' you are coming up with why not that one.....

Quote:Do you think it's different if he had been a) using the same amount of Fentanyl for months or years or b) if he took an especially large dose (for him) on the day of his demise? Do you have any idea if a) or b) is accurate?

Oh goody, another what if. Amazing that.

Again, my friend (the PhD pharmacology researcher specializing in opioid issues) said that the vast majority of the people who have that dosage in their system, that would be a fatal dose. That amount *has* to affect the involuntary action of breathing at some level. He also did say, that Floyd *could* be an outlier in that respect, and that he has encountered, in an extraordinarily infrequent sense, doses of that level that are not fatal.

So yes, your string of 'what ifs' is potentially valid. Highly unlikely, but fair.

Me, I guess that if Floyd was the fentanyl warhorse that you posit above with your string of 'what ifs', Chauvin had the most fing terrible string of bad luck that any person might imagine.

But you seemingly cant wrap your arms around the fact that a whole boatload of Fentanyl was coarsing around in St George's system and that the out on the right hand side of the curve level of an LD50 dose had zero effect on the St George and his ability to breathe. Its a free country, you can believe whatever you want.