(06-28-2021 04:44 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 04:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 04:10 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 03:52 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:27 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  When did I say he was strangled?

Do you mean when I said he was "suffocating" him?

Yep. Both terms are incorrect.

Were there no witnesses that testified that Floyd died of asphyxiation?

And when you say "The prosecution shied away from 'choking' or asphyxia." How do you square that with this - a summary of a testimony of an expert from the prosecution.

Quote:"I've never had a case like this," she said, where a person's death is so thoroughly documented – mainly through videos from the scene.

When asked if she formed an opinion on "the mechanism" of Floyd's death, Thomas said she has.

"In this case, I believe the primary mechanism of death is asphyxia or low oxygen," she told the jury.

Man, if the prosecution wanted to stay away from saying asphyxia, they did a bad job of vetting their witness.

https://www.npr.org/sections/trial-over-...oyds-death

And, when afterwards the prosecution tried to set the mode of asphyxiation as Chauvin's boot on the neck, video evidence conclusively proved the boot was *not* on the neck.

Afterwards, the prosecution gave up on 'asphyxia', *and* gave up on the term 'boot on the neck'.

They marched forward subsequent with a different cause of death, and always referred to Chauvin having his weight on the 'back and neck area' -- a significant change from the previous 'boot/weight on the neck' that they advanced earlier.

But your snippet there doesnt denote that progress in time, does it?

You keep shifting here and what your position is. First it was that the defense avoided suffocation/asphyxia, but I just showed you they clearly had an expert on discussing asphyxia (you know, what happens when you are suffocated). So they didn't shy away.

Now you're shifting to a story about how the prosecution gave up on it (not shied away) and how the prosecution changed their focus on how force was applied (cool, I never brought that up).

But looking at the closing remarks, did the prosecution ever "give up" on asphyxia?

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/pro...orge-floyd

Quote:Dr. Baker ruled this a homicide and told you the cause and manner of death, the unlawful restraint and subdual by law enforcement. What they did killed him. They told you that. Dr. Tobin, you remember Dr. Tobin, he told you specifically how it happened. He walked you through that, the asphyxia.

Quote:That’s not a cardiac event. It’s not that his heart disease, that didn’t cause him to die. It was the low level of oxygen. It was the asphyxia that caused him to die, and we know that that happened. We know that happened because they observed during the restraint at 20:24:21, what did they observe? They observed an anoxic seizure, a telltale sign of oxygen deprivation.

Quote:What he was able to observe was oxygen deprivation, was asphyxia. Was asphyxia, because under the conditions that Mr. Floyd was being restrained, that the defendant put him in, that cut off his oxygen, it would have cut off the oxygen of someone who was perfectly healthy, of anyone.

Quote:Dr. Tobin’s opinion corroborates the police training and what the police have known for 30 years, that there’s a danger to the prone position. The danger is positional asphyxia. The danger, the worst thing that can happen with positional asphyxia is death. It wasn’t just the lungs, the pressing up against the neck. Remember when you touched that, that it reduced the capacity of airflow, such that it was as if Mr. Floyd was breathing through a straw. These shallow breaths did not produce enough oxygen. Not enough oxygen could get to the lungs and that’s what killed George Floyd.

Heck, even to the whole pressure to the neck thing the prosecution apparently avoided:

Quote:He was trapped with the unyielding pavement underneath him, as unyielding as the men who held him down, pushing him, a knee to the neck, a knee to the back, twisting his fingers, holding his legs for nine minutes and 29 seconds.

Quote:He did not trip and fall and find himself upon George Floyd’s knee and neck. He did what he did on purpose, and it killed George Floyd. That force for nine minutes and 29 seconds, that killed George Floyd.

Quote:This is where the nine minutes and 29 seconds start, because they didn’t just lay him prone. They did not do that. They stayed on top of him with a knee on the neck and a knee on the back, and the defendant’s weight on Mr. Floyd pushing down with Officer Kueng adding to the pressure, pushing down, holding his feet, Officer Lane, holding his feet for nine minutes and 29 seconds.

Quote:He said he couldn’t breathe. The defendant was on top of him, on his back, on his neck with his knees, pressing down.

Just wondering, but where did you get most of your analysis of the trial? Does the prosecution typically throw out their strategy for closing remarks?

When the prosecution teed up the 'knee on the neck' the defense used the same witness and the same tape.

The EMT guy is shown taking the pulse of Floyd at the neck. Had the boot been on the neck, the witness himself said that this would have been impossible.

And look at your statements, My Friend.

Quote:a knee to the neck, a knee to the back,

Quote: They stayed on top of him with a knee on the neck and a knee on the back

Quote:he defendant was on top of him, on his back, on his neck with his knees

Do you see how they merged the neck and back with that?

They literally stopped with the knee to the neck comment after that tape and morphed it to 'neck and back'. Just like they did in your proof above.

That must have missed your radar. It didnt on mine.