(06-28-2021 02:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:31 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Those percentages are complete guesses, obviously.

For all we know they are 60%/57%/57%/56%.

Did they say "significant contributor" or did they just mention significant co-morbidities?

Yes of course...

The quote I gave was from a Newsweek article fact-checking a claim that he died from fentanyl. They specifically used that word... and of course you don't list 'co-morbidities' that aren't CAUSES in a certification. Hence my 'cancer' example. It has to be specifically contributory to the cause of death at issue... the cardiac arrest.

It IS true that it didn't say... Cardiac arrest caused by hypoxia... which would be the choking you mentioned. No mention in the article of a lack of oxygen to the system... death of cells... and that is meaningful to Tanq's point.

The pressure on the airway would have caused much more energy to be used to take in air... and that stressor could have been the straw on the heart/his system that broke the camel's back... BUT... there was no mention that he was unable to take in air, thus no hypoxia, thus no 'choking'. It's a technical distinction, but VERY meaningful in context.

Its these sorts of discussions I think that put people on opposite sided and leads to contention, when we really do generally agree on things... we just have a different baseline, like me and OO in the 'defund' conversation. Said simply... I believe Chauvin acted outside of protocols put in place for a reason... and someone died as a result. He should be punished. Whether Tanq agrees with that or not, he seems to believe that MURDER is not a specific charge supported by the specific facts. You seem to agree with me, and some on your side are okay with 'the right idea' (punishing a bad actor) even if it isn't 'the right charge'... IDK if you are of that position... while Tanq, being an ATTY AND iirc an engineer, insists that the laws be followed, even if it results in 'the wrong idea' (the bad actor doesn't get punished). Such things happen every day with criminals getting off on technicalities.