(06-28-2021 09:17 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 09:05 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 06:46 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 10:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 10:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So the hundreds of protests and riots had zero effect?

Had the races been reversed, there would have been zero protests and zero riots.

Had the races been reversed, there would have been maybe 1/100th of the actual stated antipathy by the jurors towards Chauvin.

And, lets be blunt, had the Chauvin sentence been at the guideline or under, Minneapolis would be aflame currently. Everyone and their brother is aware of that.

Even if we take the last sentence to be true (I agree that if he was found not guilty or sentenced below guideline it would have been true, sentencing at the guideline less so given that he didn’t not receive the maximum sentence and no one was aflame), it doesn’t mean it impacted either the jury or the judge handing down the sentence. One can be aware of potential implications of an outcome and still do what one finds just and right.

But this is definitely all speculation.

My question was "How much of an effect did they have"? I don't know if a black officer would have gotten off scot free, as Lad presents in his binary response. I think it is a possibility, that in the absence of political pressure and publicity, he could have. More likely, though, he might have been charged with a lesser crime, and given a sentence of much less years.

But as long as we live in a fairy tale, we can go on believing that whites and blacks are treated exactly equal.

Seriously???

Your first post on this was what I responded to - let me paste it in again:

"G. No indictment

I cannot say, nor can any of us give more than an opinion. But I wonder. My intuition says G."

I am not presenting a binary of guilty/not guilty, I'm literally responding to your initial postulation that said your intuition is that the black cop wouldn't have been indicted!

If you hadn't said that, I wouldn't have brought that up.

Here is the entire spectrum I presented:



I wonder, what would have been the outcome had a black officer knelt on the neck of a white guy, killing him, all else being exactly the same.

A. 40 years
B. 30 years
C. 22.5 years
D. 12.5 years
E. 5-10 years
F. Probation
G. No indictment

But I should have been clearer in my final statement to avoid misleading those who would want to make it binary. here is my corrected final sentence:

I cannot say, nor can any of us give more than an opinion. But I wonder. My intuition says G would certainly be a possibility, and choices D, E, and F are way more likely than C, B, or A.