(06-27-2021 10:17 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 09:07 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 08:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 08:11 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 06:00 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The question was if he would have gotten the same jail time, or more, or less, if it was the exact same situation with races reversed. IOW, how much the race of the victim and the associated hoopla contributed to the punishment he actually did receive.

We will never know for sure, but the speculation would be easier and probably more accurate if we agreed on the question. It is NOT whether or not a black officer would get off scot free, although that was presented as a part of the range of possible outcomes, as was the same or more years in prison.

My personal opinion is that the case of a black officer kneeling on a white man and the white man dying would not have the same outcome without the protests and rioting that were a part of this case. JMHO.

Yet I gave you an example of a black officer killing a white women and being indicted. And in the same state, no less. So we know that there isn’t much rationale for a black officer to be more likely to not be indicted than their white counter part.

Yes, this is speculation. But maybe look at some historical results of black officers killing whites people in a questionable situation.

I think we would have seen the same result had it been a black officer because what Chauvin did was murder a man. People should got to jail for murder.

Sorry my speculation about a possible result threw you off, lad. I think had the races been reversed in Minneapolis, the results would have been far milder. After all, hundreds of protests, dozens of riots have some influence, as they are meant to. I think a more likely result may have been a third degree or manslaughter conviction, with a sentence of less than 10 years. But one cannot discount the possibility that if a police review found that he acted within guidelines and protocol, a DA not under heavy public pressure might decline to prosecute.

In any case, it is odd that guy who complained about binary has made this into a binary question. I gave a full range of possible outcomes, from no indictment to 40 years. You have turned it into whether a black officer would go free or not.

So, do you think a black Derek Chauvin killing a white George Floyd would get 22.5 years?

I’m going off your initial post…

“ G. No indictment

I cannot say, nor can any of us give more than an opinion. But I wonder. My intuition says G.”

I think anyone else would have had a similar sentence. I don’t think race played into the sentencing at all.

So the hundreds of protests and riots had zero effect?

Had the races been reversed, there would have been zero protests and zero riots.

I don’t think they had an effect on the sentencing handed down by the judge, or on the guilty verdict.

Sure, there may have been zero protests, but I think justice would have been served as well. A police officer abused their position of power and murdered someone.