(06-15-2021 07:50 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  \I have edited out some of the back and forth that led to this, for brevity.
Anyone wanting a more complete history can refer to previous posts.

(06-15-2021 07:20 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Well, I was referencing the front offices of the NBA/NFL in the past. You seem to have outright rejected any hiring practices that took race into account. To me... that says that you prefer the status quo to those hiring practices.

I am, and have been from the git-go, referring to practices in 2021 and the future. YOU interjected long ago situations and actions, not I. If you have to continue making assumptions about what I think and why, at least base them on what I actually say.

I brought up this example as an OBVIOUS one where bias has led to an uneven situation. I know that you guys are less likely to believe that an uneven playing field exists today so I wanted to bring up something with which we can all agree.

How do you address this situation without bringing race into it?

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Quote:Again... see above. How would you NOT accept the status quo while not accepting any of those hiring practices? How else do you nudge this situation? Just wait it out?

Or maybe you don't think the lily-white front offices were a problem? You have, more than once, thrown out the possibility that genetics may play a role in the situation. Perhaps black people's brains are wired differently and they may not be cut out for those front office positions?

Where did I say the the front offices of half a century back were just fine and dandy? it appears this entire "conversation" is in your head.

Once again, I am talking about now and about the future.

Quote:We definitely don't use the same definition of racist.

So what is yours? I have given mine. I would be very interested in hearing any definition of racism that excludes the supporting of race based polices. I have asked for this many times, and I am asking again.

Something like this from MW:

: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

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Quote:I'm quite sure it's not the "tough questions from OO" that made the others decide to leave. Do you really think that? I think it's the generally crappy tone of this forum. Finding things that spark joy and not the opposite, etc.

I wish they didn't leave. I will tell you that it's no fun being only one of two that still post here. Mostly because some topics interest me and some don't. Sometimes I have time to engage and sometimes I don't. You, however, tap your feet and get progressively snarky until Lad or I address every issue that comes up. I have no interest in being your voice of the left if it means not having the ability to pick and choose my involvement on this forum. Also, there are plenty of things that I don't agree with when it comes to the far left and I don't have interest in defending those positions.

I wish they didn't leave either, but I think the "Oh you're mean" stuff is just a cover.

What forums have you found with both sides represented that are nicer? The Spin Room? Or some liberal echo chamber? I would like to join.

Odd that you would get snarky about me tapping my feet and then blame me for getting snarky. another double standard?

My pointing out your snarkiness is "getting snarky"? Agree to disagree.