(06-11-2021 10:26 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-11-2021 09:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But that's what you have to do to meet the externally-imposed "diversity" goals, or else be deemed "racist." Same as the was the CRA statute was bastardized by regulations and enforcement actions.

It's a false choice you're presenting. It is not what you have to do to meet these diversity goals.

I don't think this is accurate. It wasn't academia, but it was certainly true for me and has been in numerous contexts.

In investment banking for public entities, you will almost always see "Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley" (who will do all of the work and place the product) along with one or more politically correct or politically driven, including 'diversity' goals. These people meet the qualifications of having a broker/dealer license, but they were chosen SOLELY for diversity... meanwhile other firms who perhaps would have lowered the cost of the offering by creating more competition for the product were left off. Wall Street has gotten around this with Sr Managers and co managers and various levels of participation... and they sort of ignore that 'the big boys' place all of the product competitively.

The number of examples of this in highly regulated, 'controversial' industries is MASSIVE.

(06-11-2021 01:33 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I see your positions, I understand your position, but I think it is racist to advance/deny somebody on the basis of race, and so I oppose it. JMHO.

Which brings us back to what I describe from the left as the 'make up call'.... which in many instances can result in not only race playing a factor, but in race playing an overwhelming one.

I use my example as a perfect example. If they had the minimum necessary certifications and were of a specific race, I offered them a job... and my number of jobs was limited. Their personality, attitudes towards team work and working outside the specific confines of their license (not illegally so, but as an example, registering patients in addition to shooting x-rays in order to speed the process and improve the patient experience). SO in my cases, I was so pressured to meet criteria set by bureaucrats or avoid 'gotcha' situations that I put patient satisfaction and business significance BEHIND race in hiring, and offered jobs to less qualified people, and even some people who lacked the FULL qualifications of the job (customer service oriented, which unlike race is an opinion not a demonstrable fact)