(05-07-2021 03:42 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 03:01 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 11:57 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 11:46 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  Tellingly, there is no room in the cartoonish leftist world view for the most fundamental, most sacred, and most attacked human right all: liberty. :(

I mean, I don't see anyone forcing those people to pick apples...

How would liberty be represented in that cartoon on what equality or equity looks like?

Seriously?
Where did the ladders come from?
Who built the scaffolding?
Why a scaffold instead of more trees -- or other kinds of trees, or other things altogether?
What are the two kids allowed to do with the apples?
Do they have to have apples at all?
Who planted the tree?
Who tends it and keeps it healthy?
Who protects it from poachers?
Why is there an apple tree there at all, and not an orange tree or a well or a ballfield?

The fact that a leftist can't even comprehend a place for liberty in ordinary life, much less think of how to represent it, speaks volumes.

More specifically, you were correct in calling his image cartoon, but wrong it saying it "explains" anything -- except perhaps (by illustration) the facile simple-mindedness that underlies so much of modern leftism.

The simple minded one is the person who things that a simple cartoon could be exhaustive and illustrate every single nuance of the real world.

You offered the cartoon is a useful "explanation". It is not, because it ignores too much. The person who thinks it is nonetheless useful is the simple minded one.

Also, liberty is not (or should not be) a mere nuance.

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My goodness, I can't believe you went down such a rabbit hole to prove that a simple cartoon doesn't capture each and every detail of how that picture came to be.

My goodness, I can't believe you went down a rabbit hole to find this stupid cartoon in the first place, and that you're still digging in your heels about its "greatness"!

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  But I have no idea how any of those details have anything to do with whether or not the cartoon illustrates whether either of those characters have liberty.

It doesn't take it into account in the slightest -- which is exactly the problem, because (as should not have to explained) so-called "justice" or "equity" or "equality" without liberty is not in fact just -- it is tyranny.

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'll ask again, how would you draw that cartoon to represent that those characters have liberty?

I wouldn't draw such a feeble-minded trope in the first place, and if I did, I certainly wouldn't call it "great" or an "explanation".

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  You rather rudely spout of that "a leftist can't even comprehend a place for liberty in ordinary life, much less think of how to represent it,"

Does the shoe fit?

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  yet you don't even bother to actually answer the question.

Well, it's not my job to edit your simplehoods. But again, I wouldn't offer such a thing as an "explanation" in the first place.

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Would it be clear that each character is afforded freedom if a giant bald eagle was swooping through the sky screaming "YOU ARE FREEEEEEEE."

No, and that's a silly answer.

(05-07-2021 03:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  That simplistic cartoon does a good job quickly and easily explaining the general concept of equity, as the same resources do not always provide the same benefit given individuals' means and situations.

Wrong, on multiple levels:
- That is not what equity is.
- It is hopelessly misleading, in that it glosses over far more than it explains.
- Again, it fails to take into account the crucial fact (as history has proven repeatedly) that without liberty, "justice" is not actually just, "equity" is not equitable, and "equality" is far from equal.

Honestly, it's hard to express how strange it is that you would look at this cartoon and sincerely say to yourself not "Hey, this is silly but cute", but rather "Hey, this is a great [your term] explanation." It's disappointing, and more than a little scary.

Ah yes, the liberals are the condescending ones here... Hope the weekend is good for ya.