(04-29-2021 10:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 08:50 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Really? My first question was hyperbole? In a discussion of why semi-automatic rifles are useful for controlling feral hogs I asked "OK... but why does a dude in Chicago need to worry about feral hogs"? That's hyperbole? Or you somehow feel that it was hyperbolic in the way that I referenced that question today without quoting it directly?

Maybe if I restate the position... and I could be wrong, but this is what i'm 'hearing'...

The use of semi-auto weapons for the control of feral hogs in Texas is one of potentially dozens of examples of where a semi-auto rifle is by far, the most effective choice of weapon for the purpose. I tried to address this when I spoke about the safety of shooting ANYTHING in relatively close quarters (your question about a semi-auto on an acre or two as opposed to a ranch) by using a low-recoil, fast recovery, lower calibre weapon like an 'AR' as opposed to a high recoil, slow recovery, higher calibre weapon like a hunting rifle. I ALSO spoke about the fact that most people own one or two weapons, not twenty... so sometimes the choice of weapon has as much to do with the cost and versatility of them as it does about whether or not it is the 'best' choice for any single specific purpose, which is why I got all over Lad for his deflection.

In the simplest example, where I live... you don't often see a 300lb feral hog because although there is SOME room for them to hide, there isn't generally enough room for them to hide long enough to GROW to be 300 lbs. The ones we see are most often in the 50ish pound range. We capture them (if we can, and as far from the house as possible) and then have people (at their own risk) haul them off who pen and feed them and then sell them once they REACH 300 lbs. Clearly if you were going 'hog hunting', you'd be more likely to AVOID shooting the 50 lb hog if there is a 300 lber around... which can impact the choice of weapons, see??

The guy in Chicago likely doesn't have a feral hog problem.... and likely not even a 'varmint' problem (that a gun would be appropriate for) at his home in Chicago... That said, he could EASILY have a vacation property or even a hobby where a 'varmint' weapon is appropriate... and because he only wants to own and care for one weapon, that is also his choice for protecting himself against criminals in his home. A semi-AR is not the BEST choice for that purpose, but it also isn't the worst. A bolt-action hunting rifle would be a worse choice.... and a hand-gun or shot gun could be completely inappropriate/arguably USELESS for his vacation property or 'hobby'.

SO here would be an example of common sense legislation for someone in CHicago...
You can own a semi-auto rifle for use with your hobby/ranch... but it must be rendered inoperable inside the city limits... HOWEVER, you will be GIVEN a semi-auto 9 shot handgun or 3-5 shot short barrel, pistol grip shot gun for use in home defense at no additional cost... so that you can protect your home without the TAX of having to buy a second weapon. Alternatively, you should be allowed to purchase a semi-auto hand gun that can be converted (through the use of add-on barrels and stocks) into a weapon appropriate for use on your ranch/hobby. THAT would be common sense to me... because it respects your right to own a gun, but makes sure that you own 'appropriate' weapons for their legal purpose... but the problems with that solution are also obvious.

It DOES seem that a tactic of 'your side' in these debates is to take one of an unlimited number of possibilities and try and apply that universally (feral hogs in Chicago or a 22 for 'hunting' 100+ lb hogs) in an effort to demean and diminish the position of those 'on the other side'. While you may not personally have intended it as such, I'm quite certain that you've heard those responses by people, and you seek a 'real' answer to those questions, because they resonate with you.

If I accept the innocence of your question, and I do... then you're asking the same question/posing it in the same way that people who do not ask the question innocently do.... and you are getting a response reflective of that. The alternative is to simply follow YOU down the same rabbit trail that people WITHOUT your innocent desire to become informed want to go.

I hope that makes sense...
The best way I can say it is for 'anti-gun zealot John' to sarcastically ask why a guy in Chicago needs a gun to hunt feral hogs... with no intention of being convinced that there reasons for someone in Chicago to OWN a gun that is remotely practical for any purpose other than to kill humans.... and then you innocently come in and ask (in earnest, without that preconception) the exact same question.