(03-07-2021 06:08 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 05:18 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  

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(03-07-2021 01:05 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:55 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I mean... the huge difference is that Biden was complimenting Indian-Americans and Trump was doing the opposite.

You just articulated very clearly EXACTLY what I was speaking about.

You are repeating something that is absolutely not true.

Trump was NOT insulting Mexican AMERICANS. That is absolutely not true. That is precisely my point and you just admitted the disconnect in the comparison.

He was insulting people who WERE NOT Americans, who were not even necessarily MEXICAN nationals or even Hispanic. He was insulting people who were BREAKING OUR LAWS to come to this country, to ILLEGALLY take jobs, who create an almost permanent under-class AND encourage a criminal or abusive employment element against them (that often spreads to others) because they live in the shadows and away from the protection of our laws. Trump didn't say it very well, like Biden didn't... but while certainly there are racists who simply don't like Mexicans, the OVERWHELMING majority of those who supported his comments and laws. NOT ONE law was passed or proposed that targeted Mexican AMERICANS.

EVen as far as illegal immigration goes, Its like the left is saying they're okay with people breaking in to a closed store because the products in the store are better than what they have at home. YOu would likely argue that they face starvation, danger etc etc at home, and that MAY or may not be true. If its True, then that should submit their plight to the authorities, be vetted, registered and PROTECTED by our laws.. and not targets of internal AND external predators.... and just as important, NOW THE US CAN PRESSURE THEIR HOME NATIONS WITH FACTS AND PEOPLE and not merely statistical analysis and anecdotes. We would have actual CASE FILES to take to (say) Mexico and say... We believe the Police Chief in THIS city named 'whatever his name is' is exploiting people in his town. Here is our witness. FIX IT, and then that person can decide if they want to return home to a now safe location, or if they want to stay here.

BUT... Instead the left wants to mis-represent Trump's position, and call anyone who supports his position a racist, and create division and conflict, often ARMED conflict and the APPEARANCE of racial division (which only ENCOURAGES actual racists) when NO SUCH RACIAL DIVISION EXISTS.

There are LOTS of Democrats or those who would vote Democrat but didn't who do not support people entering this country illegally. LOTS of them. LOts of them are immigrants/people of 'other' races. There are lots of HIspanic Americans who do NOT support illegal immigration.

There are thread pages and pages long on this forum where the left has repeatedly ignored the word 'illegal' when talking about 'immigrants'. Those are NOT the same people.

Bravo. Very well said and totally on point.

My Hispanic cousins who worked in law enforcement, including the Border Patrol, would agree. None of them support ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION or ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Much of what the left says about immigration, legal and illegal, is based on racist stereotypes.

And interestingly, I think the left is reflexively in favor of increased immigration (legal and illegal) because they (racistly) assume anyone "brown" will vote Democrat in perpetuity no matter what. But they are ignoring the canary in the coal mine: Trump -- a man who could not have been less adept at courting the Hispanic vote -- *gained* 8 to 9 points among Hispanics in 2020, and also gained significantly with African-Americans and Asian Americans while allegedly being virulently racist toward all 3 groups. Are they asking themselves how that could possibly have happened? They should be.

And the answer (to my mind) is not because of anything Trump did/said, but because minorities -- and by extension immigrants -- are also more religious and more conservative than the increasingly white, urban, college-educated (and increasingly detached, insufferable, hectoring, and joyless) Democratic Party appreciates. The data is screaming that there is a limit to the amount of leftist nonsense previously solidly-Democratic minority voters will tolerate, and the Democrats have blown past that stop sign. They should be very afraid of what a minimally competent Republican Party could achieve, which I for one am looking forward to finding out.

What if Democrats support laws that make legal immigration easier because, hold your hats, they believe that immigrating to the US should be easier and NOT because of the potential political leanings of said voters?

Do you honestly believe in the opposite, that conservatives are reflexively in opposition to immigration for the same reason?

Your stereotypes are showing.

But, for discussion's sake, maybe you could start by telling me WHY Democrats/liberals/the left believe that immigrating to the US should be easier? Why do YOU think immigrating to the US should be easy or easier?