(01-15-2021 11:18 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 10:47 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Right. So if it turns out that there are very, very few minority students at elite institutions relative to today's situation you would be OK with that as opposed to have the current admissions policies. Got it. I disagree.

I think it has been clear from the git-go that we disagree. I have been trying to explain to you why I think you are wrong and you have been trying to explain to me why you think I am wrong.

I don't care if there are X this race Y that race, or X that race, Y this race. You are the one hung up on numbers. The way to increase the numbers of a given race is, IMO, NOT to push semi-qualified individuals in strictly to make the numbers look better, but to increase education preparation for everybody so that all individuals of any race can excel.

Quote:I think we would not have enough students of color as they are more likely to come from less-privileged backgrounds. It's hard to compete with the private tutors, SAT classes, better schools/teachers that wealth brings. We don't have enough economic diversity at these school regardless of race. Would school vouchers address this? I really don't know... I've definitely heard competing opinions on this and I'm not that tuned into the issue as to have a strong opinion on it.

ENOUGH? All the proof we need to see that for you, this is a numbers game. To me, it is a merit question.

Using Hypothetical numbers, let's say that merit acceptance result in 6% black kids. You want to increase this to 13%(?) by admitting 7% of kids who were deemed marginal? if spots in a class are limited, doesn't this mean that 7% of kids of other races, originally deemed qualified, are now rejected SOLELY ON THE BASIS OF RACE? Isn't this racist? I think so. I think you think so, but you also think doing this wrong act is OK if done for what you think is a good reason, one of the identifying characteristics of the left as I have stated before.

Quote:First I was Hitleresque for supporting affirmative action and now I'm racist?

Hitler's Germany tried to redress what it saw as one ethnic group (jews) doing well at the expense of other ethnic groups (Aryans). yes, i see a parallel.

Quote:To be clear... minority kids are just as capable as white kids at handling a rigorous educational pathway. Unfortunately... not enough of them are offered that option. I believe that's what affirmative action has historically tried to address.

So offer them that option, through vouchers, rather than supporting selection based on race.

Quote:I think I said something to the effect of "I'm still waiting for OO to address this question." It was not hostile... it was a genuine query as the issue continued to come up. It was certainly not meant to "jump on you".

let's let this go. Enough tit for tat. I will answer your questions of me at my earliest convenience and you should do the same for my questions of you. OK?

Sure... just know that there will days/weeks where I won't be posting here and hopefully you won't sneer at me for avoiding your questions during those times.