(01-13-2021 11:29 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 11:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 10:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 10:35 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-13-2021 10:33 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The Nazis discriminated against [Jewish] businesses in favor of [Aryan] businesses. They had a lofty goal of helping Germany.

The only difference between that and the programs you favor is the contents of the brackets.

OTOH, if I were running Germany back then, NO businesses would have been discriminated against. Treat them all the same.

You favor racist and sexist programs, because you think they have a good goal. How does that fit with my second to last paragraph? Describes it perfectly, IMO.

You have stretched the definitions of racism and sexism past their breaking point.

So the Nazis weren't racist?

My definition of racism is the making of decisions about, or the forming of attitudes toward, a person or group of persons based in whole or in part upon their race.

What is yours?

So affirmative action is racist using your definition.

How do you propose to get capable but economically disadvantaged students of color into the more elite institutions?

Yes, AA is racist on the face of it. Taking one student or employee over another solely on the basis of race is racist. Can you say it is not? Give your logic for that.

Perfect example of Democrats doing bad things (discrimination on the basis of race) because the they think the goal is good(helping disadvantaged students of color).

Where is the help for disadvantaged students of no color?

If they are capable, they can get in on merit. If they are economically disadvantaged, they can get aid on the same basis - need - as anybody else.

Right... so poor inner-city black kids can't compete with the SAT scores of all the well-off kids with years of private tutors and SAT prep courses. To say nothing of the cultural bias of the standardized testing that multiple studies have pointed out.

But every elite institution should just pick the top 0.002% of SAT scores and see how that plays out. Lots of white/Asian faces on those campuses and not much else.