(12-06-2020 12:35 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  There is far more evidence of the allegations of Trump than there is of voter fraud - I'm still waiting for hard evidence of voter fraud.

To the limited extent that this is true, its important to note a few reasons. Among them:

- There were wiretaps and many conversations were otherwise recorded regarding Trump
- Much information was solicited under duress/threats of imprisonment for unrelated charges. This was, in fact where most of the charges from this investigation came, and that in and of itself was used as 'evidence'. As someone said... Trump is a snake so I believe this... well, if someone in Trump's team did something unrelated wrong, that would lead some to believe that other things could have been done that were wrong. Evidence.
- There was a multi-year, multi governmental agency, multi-national, multi-billion dollar investigation and trial
- Despite all of this, NO allegations of any of this was proven

Compare that to Biden with no wire taps, a very limited investigation, no coercion of witnesses, no trial (yet)
Compare that with voter fraud where there is federally mandated protection from most investigation and safeguards in place to ensure the privacy of a ballot... and almost no time at all to PROVE anything (weeks at most)

So yeah... I can see where there might be 'more' (depending on how you define more... whether it be weight or volume) evidence against Trump than against voter fraud... because one was one individual, looked at for years after the events and had surveillance DURING some of them... and the other, certainly hundreds and potentially millions of people depending on how anything would have been done for at most, weeks. Also, almost everything Trump did would have SOME sort of a paper trail... even if just a meeting (which would be used as 'evidence')... but to find a paper trail on the day to day activities of some members of perhaps 150 million people?? C'mon. How would you even narrow down the suspect list? It could LITERALLY be anyone. Nobody has accused Biden of coordinating these actions. If they had, there likely WOULD be an opportunity for lots of 'evidence' (suspicious meetings, unusual wording of something or some dastardly interpretation of 'c'mon man').

But the other issue is how you define 'fraud'.

IF (as Good's other thread suggests) fraud is defined as changing the standard of verification in a way that potentially allows 6% of votes who would have been thrown out under normal circumstances to be allowed, that isn't what most of us would define as 'fraud'... but if a ballot is thrown out, most people would say that it was because it was unable to be validated, which is indistinguishable for most people from saying it is 'fraudulent'.

There is TONS of evidence about Bigfoot. Literally, TONS of it. thousands of people over decades have eye-witness accounts and pictures and videos. There is probably less evidence of a quark (in terms of numbers of eye-witness accounts and the variety of situations) than there is of Bigfoot. There is probably more evidence of God, depending on how you define evidence than there is of cro-magnon man. My point is that the quantity or volume of something has almost nothing to do with its veracity.