(11-16-2020 06:05 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 11:43 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 08:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 01:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  You only need enough money to compete against your peers. Conferences are built on cultural fit, not making money.

And this, folks, is why we are sucking hind tit to the rest of the P5 and will be fighting with one hand tied behind our backs for the next decade and a half. #goacc

You always want to blame our situation on others, but Clemson is and has been in on every move or action the ACC has taken.
It's easy to point fingers unless you're looking in a mirror.

Clemson made one huge mistake back in 1953 - allowing 4 schools from NC to be in the ACC. Since then they haven't been in control of their own conference destiny. Had they capped it at 3, or even 2 in NC, things would've gone a LOT different.

Are you inferring they controlled themselves from 1921 until 1953?

When MD formed the Southern Conference in 1921 it had 14 schools - MD, Bama, Auburn, UGa, GT, UNC, NC State, Clemson, VT, Washington & Lee, MSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Virginia.

In 1922 Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, Tulane, Vandy, and SC joined. Bringing it to 20.

In 1923 Sewanee joined.
In 1924 VMI was admitted.
In 1928 Duke was admitted. At this point you had 23 schools.

In 1933 the 13 SEC schools split.
In 1936 the SoCon with Clemson's votes added Furman, WF, GW, Richmond, Davidson, the Citadel and both William & Mary (that's a joke) The SoCon was back to 17
1937 UVa pulled out leaving the SoCon at 16
1950 The SoCon screws the pooch and votes in West Va
1951-52 Cheating scandals put pressure on VT's president to curb football - the bowl ban is enacted.
1952 MD and Clemson punished for taking bowl games
1953 MD, Clemson, Duke, and SC hatch a plot to leave and take UNC, WF, and NC State
1954 early fall MD slides UVa back into the conference
1954 late fall, UVa is now voting and and blocks VT on a 4-4 vote. The motion on WVa by UNC fails to get a second

The point is this - Clemson's interests do not begin to diverge from the rest of the ACC until 1962. Duke's 800 SAT was designed to deemphasize football and to help keep Duke white. UVa heartily supported the same position as did Wake Forest. UNC went along, which meant that NC State had to go along. Maryland figured they would not be affected, Clemson and SC knew it would affect them.

The 800 SAT and SC allowing Frank McGuire to be his own boss is why SC left the ACC. McGuire had some aledged ties to the 1961 point shaving at UNC and NC State where one of State's players had a gun shoved into his ribs. System President Bill Friday hated Frank McGuire. SC allowed Frank to be his own boss when he came back to the ACC after being run off by UNC. This dynamic was forgotten by the ptb at NC State when they allowed Valavno to be his own boss without a cut out man. That and being a Republican was part of the venom between the System and NC State over Jim.

Everything in the ACC has an origin. Clemson had 75 years to leave, and stayed. They stay because it's what's best for them. They can be the football star of the ACC, but would never be the football star of an SEC with Bama.