(06-23-2020 01:54 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 10:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 10:28 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 09:55 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 09:47 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  I agree in the technical sense: most of the monument vandals are left wing, but few of the left wing people vandalize monuments. Treating "left wing people" and "monument vandals" as more or less the same set is absurd.

The exact analogy is "it's conservative people who are alt right / neonazis killing people in order to stoke race tensions blah blah"
Do you DISAGREE with that?, because it's ... technically true. But making that statement is still absurd and misleading, isn't it?

2 things can be true at once....not all left wing people are vandalizing this country...and never did I say that. However, the people who are vandalizing the country are left wing.

No?

Technically, sure, agreed (although what share of the violence/property damage is being caused by right wingers is as of right now unclear).

However, I suspect (so correct me if I'm wrong) that the intent of the sentence "people who are vandalizing the country are left wing" is to draw a causal connection, like somehow left wing politics are causing vandalism. And if *that*'s what you're trying to say, then no, disagree. For that claim, you'd have to account for why 99% of left wing people haven't torn down a statue, why 99% of conservatives haven't committed a domestic terrorist act, etc.

The more intellectually honest wording is "some extremists holding left political views tear down statues," "some neo nazis holding conservative political views kill cops" etc. Such wording immediately acknowledges that there is a difference between your average person with progressive/conservative views and the extremists. The wording also avoids needless polarization from pretending the world is "them" (all the same) vs. "us" (complex, heterogeneous)

Funny, seems to me the last time someone pointed out there were good people on both sides, one side went completely ape ****.

Bingo.

Not gonna write a dissertation here but I’m fairly certain the prominent group that’s publicly called for the murder of cops would be BLM. Anyone who supports BLM and champions their cause without acknowledging the fact that they’ve literally called for murder of police is not a serious person.

Left wing policies and pandering to radical left wing idiots like Antifa and BLM are absolutely to blame for the destruction of our country.

That’s a damn fact and it doesn’t care about your liberal, bleeding heart feelings.

Are you talking about the actual organization of BLM? Or are you talking about individuals themselves?

I don't remember the public call for murdering cops, but a lot of things are flying around. Can you provide some more info/a link to that? It would significantly change my opinion of that organization if they were publicly advocating murder.