(06-23-2020 11:39 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 11:06 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 10:48 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 10:28 AM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 09:55 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  2 things can be true at once....not all left wing people are vandalizing this country...and never did I say that. However, the people who are vandalizing the country are left wing.

No?

Technically, sure, agreed (although what share of the violence/property damage is being caused by right wingers is as of right now unclear). Just a quick response to your "I am unaware of any neo-nazi murders of cops".

However, I suspect (so correct me if I'm wrong) that the intent of the sentence "people who are vandalizing the country are left wing" is to draw a causal connection, like somehow left wing politics are causing vandalism. And if *that*'s what you're trying to say, then no, disagree. For that claim, you'd have to account for why 99% of left wing people haven't torn down a statue, why 99% of conservatives haven't committed a domestic terrorist act, etc.

The more intellectually honest wording is "some extremists holding left political views tear down statues," "some neo nazis holding conservative political views kill cops" etc. Such wording immediately acknowledges that there is a difference between your average person with progressive/conservative views and the extremists. The wording also avoids needless polarization from pretending the world is "them" (all the same) vs. "us" (complex, heterogeneous)

I would say all rioters are a subset of those holding left wing political views. Rumors of neo-nazi agitators are just unsubstantiated rumors. show me one. And I am unaware of any neo-nazi murders of cops, so perhaps you could provide a list. I think comparing the numbers of statue pullers and rioters to neo-nazi cop murderers would be enlightening.

This is a recent one.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story...al-officer

Thank you 93, I knew somebody would find one.

(emulating the Count on Sesame Street) That is ONE. One right wing cop killer.

Now how many left wingers have we seen on TV the last month or two rioting, looting, tearing down statues?

Is the ratio now about a million to one?

THAT is why IB's comparison is invalid.

I fully agree that not all left-wingers are violent. 93 is a good example. Good man. I am a right winger, but I am not a neo-nazi nor have I killed any cops. Also, i don't know anybody who has. But nearly 100% of the violent protesters are left wing. And nearly all of the apologists of the violent protesters are left-wing. Compare that to ONE neo-nazi cop killer.

Come on. Nobody implied that was a complete list. It was a quick response to your "I am unaware of any neo-nazi murders of cops".