(02-23-2020 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-23-2020 09:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 11:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.

It’s not the whole party—-but that wing of the party is now as big as the middle used to be. We can quibble over percentages—but the Progressive/Socialist wing now represents a huge hunk of the party.

I agree it's a huge hunk, but my point is, there is a big split in the party, which could have ramifications in November.

Now if you want to throw in "Progressive" with "Socialist," then yeah, that's practically everybody, as far as raising their hands to sign onto the New Green Deal and other loony ideas.

But I'm looking at it as most of them (Biden, Bloomie, Booty, Klob, Steyer, etc.) all opposing Bernie's nomination, plus reports all over the place that "establishment" Dems are freaking out, b/c they don't think Bernie can beat Trump.

Last night and this morning, I have seen several prominent Dems say, even on MSNBC and CNN, that Bernie's nomination will fracture the Dem Party.

My impression right now is the "No Bernie" Dem faction is a lot larger than the Never Trumper bunch in 2016.

It will be interesting to see how much support any Dem candidate now gets when it comes to November, and whether the losing faction of the Dem party will run as a 3rd party, especially if Bernie doesn't get it.

while the current version in division is tough to argue, it's also equitable the dems will align with the bern simply based on momentum alone....what else can they do outside a brokered convention w/o a viable candidate....bloomy wouldn't stand a chance....that's apparent at this point...

that's what evil slime does as gravity takes over....the never trump-a-tears were simply too stupid to see the bigger picture coming off the starting line....

regardless, it's gonna be fonzies watching how it plays out....

if they have something hidden up their sleeve at this point, it would be impressive that hasn't leaked by now...they could take a stab at moo-moochelle or cankles....however, that would be a nut roasting too....

I agree with all that. My impression is, assuming Bernie gets the nod, that enough actual Dem voters will fall by the wayside, or even flip to Trump, that it will be impossible for Bernie to win. Maybe impossible for a "moderate" candidate or a convention surprise to win, as well, b/c Bernie bros sure as hell aren't going along with that in big numbers.