(02-10-2020 11:39 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-08-2020 10:53 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Is anyone on this board actually a socialist though? Maybe one or two people? Is there anyone advocating for us to be the next Cuba?

I don't believe that wanting to implement policies similar to countries such as Japan, Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, the United Kingdom, etc makes you a Socialist. It's just Capitalism with extra safety nets for your average citizen. Ensuring the health of all of your citizens is simply a net gain for productivity and morale.

Canada, Germany, the UK, Japan, etc are all CAPITALIST countries with some SOCIAL policies. Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc use the NORDIC MODEL of CAPITALISM.

-The Beveridge model of healthcare doesn't make you a socialist country.
-The Bismarck model of healthcare doesn't make you a socialist country.
-The National Health Insurance model of healthcare doesn't make you a socialist country.

Our current healthcare model is trash. We pay too much money because so many different entities have their hands in the cookie jar... and to top it off we willingly defend overpaying for everything simply because in most people's minds any other model is "socialism". For some really weird reason people just love defending Anthem (BCBS) and Aetna Health insurance companies. They also love that Pharmaceutical companies are charging us 50% more than they did just 10 years ago, well past inflation. To top it off, all of these pharmaceutical companies received subsidies paid for with taxpayer money. Nearly EVERY drug released in the past 10 years received government subsidies to create it.

Here's some real socialism for you:

-Bank bailouts, no prison time for causing the 2008 financial crisis
-Auto bailouts
-ISP companies accepting millions and millions in government subsidies for infrastructure and just pocketing it...then having the audacity to ask for more taxpayer money.
-Equifax boning every taxpaying American in the country and nothing happens, no prison time

If we're supposed to be a capitalistic utopia then why are all of these large companies getting socialism/subsidies??? Why are these companies living off the taxpayer teet if we're supposed to be a purely capitalist society? In a truly capitalist society these entities would have been allowed to fail, and someone else would have risen up over time to take their place.

We don't live in a purely Capitalist society as it is and for good reason. It would be a total winner-takes-all hell, as much as Socialist/Communist states are hellish societies to live in. This whole going to the extreme nonsense any time anyone discusses any new policies is so old and worn out. Social policy that a vast majority of capitalistic countries use for the good of their citizens is not socialism. And I realize this is a video specifically about Cuba, but most of the discourse on this board is about the current Democratic field versus Trump coming up.

Quit giving taxpayer money to stupid companies is the solution. Not "the companies get free shite , we want more free shite"

Good grief man, dont regular people who work support enough people who dont in this country.

Democrat solution is to let the government take more and redistribute it. Frick that. Those bureaucratic idiots.

Nordic model.

What's your plan to fix our healthcare system? What's the Republicans plan right now to fix healthcare? (Hint: they don't really have one)

Edit: And with us at such a low unemployment rate you would expect entitlements should go down right? Or perhaps too many jobs are garbage paying $10 and less an hour so these people need help just to live, as it has been for a long time?