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(05-05-2018 06:13 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 10:15 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 06:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 04:38 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 12:40 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Right but I'm ceding the point that obviously ODU could be better with regards to the postseason and beating two of their three big rivals while at the same time arguing the point that 96 wins in four seasons does NOT in and of itself mean that the program is bad or that the coach sucks.

FWIW, I think a lot of D1 programs would like to have ODU's last four seasons, postseason letdowns notwithstanding. That doesn't mean that things can't or shouldn't be better, but it's not like ODU is the Gardner-Webb JV squad or something.

But we're not lots of programs. We're ODU and post season play is expected. JJ record can never be viewed strictly in terms of wins/losses. That has no context. His record is vastly diminished when you cond=sider who his teams beat, who they lose to and how many post season tourneys his tams make. All things considered, he's failing IMHO.

JJ is exactly what many of us were afraid of. Able to deliver lots of cotton candy wins, not good enough to get us to the dance and not bad enough to fire.

Unpopular opinion time: This "we're not lots of programs; we're ODU and postseason play is expected" argument that's popular around here doesn't really hold up. ODU has three NCAA wins in its D1 history — VCU and George Mason beat that in one year and Richmond tied it. ODU has only been to back-to-back NCAAs twice. ODU has 11 NCAA appearances in the 40-ish seasons they've been in D1, tied with a bunch of schools for which the NCAAs are a reasonable goal but NOT an expectation (except Clemson, but that's because of how good that program is in the now). But the way people go on around here, you'd think this was Memphis enduring Tubby Smith.

ODU is a fine program with decent successes and great facilities. There's certainly no reason to think they *can't* be consistently good, or have an NCAA run similar to VCU's recent stretch. But I think treating is as some sort of, I dunno, entitlement doesn't jibe with their history.

Unpopular on here yet it's true. There's a reason why there's several fans on the conference board who hate us. Sometimes we come across as entitled and that we should be the best and this conference is a stepping stone for a move up, when in reality we've done jack since joining the conference unless you count losing championship games.

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Don't really care if other fans hate us, in fact that's what fuels rivalry's. Entitled seems to be the term de jour. I prefer expect. Don't see anything wrong with that either. My EXPECTATION is that ODU will fairly consistently appear in either the NCAA's or NIT. Anything less does not meet my expectations. JJ has proven he is not capable of meeting my expectations.

I agree and would add that those expectations are fueled by former coaches and results like these -

Paul Webb:
10 seasons at ODU
4 NCAA Tournaments (includes 1 in Division 2)
5 NIT Tournaments

Blaine Taylor:
12 seasons at ODU
4 NCAA Tournaments
1 NIT Tournament (Final Four)