(06-04-2020 11:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 10:17 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 09:28 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 06:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Boil this post down and it’s a tribalistic “Liberals bad, conservatives good.” It’s pretty impressive how all the blame is shifted to liberals, as opposed to evenly spread, as it should be.

Yet it is your tribe that calls us 'deplorables". it is your tribe that riots and attacks us.

But the most intriguing this is the 50/50 split of blame you propose. where is the evidence for that?

I think in the case of the rioting and civil unrest across the country, we can rightfully put the lion's share of blame on the left.

On the matter of the Covid shutdown, I don't know where to put the blame. But I do know one tribe wants to re-open more than the other, and the other tribe wants to to extend the closings at any economic cost.

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This also ignores that liberals had been protesting the exact same issue of police brutality, but had been told that peacefully kneeling during the national anthem wasn’t appropriate. The grievance isn’t new, and the grievance has legitimacy about the structural issues that result in biased outcomes in policing.

Police brutality is rare these days. I remember when it wasn't. Take my word for it, things have changed. But in any case, it is not limited to white cops/black citizens. Why do you think it is? Because of the vague charge of "systemic" racism? How do you prove that? But in any case, why hasn't it been addressed and rooted out by the legions of black/Democratic police officials and city and county officials over the last 40-60 years? How can we blame that on the conservatives, when it is the liberals in power where the "brutality" and 'systemic racism" occurs?

OO, what are your circumstances that allow you to assess the state of police brutality these days? Specifically when it comes to the current experience of inner-city black males (which seems to be the main issue when these stories keep hitting the news cycle)?

I guess you are saying that if I am not an inner city black male, I cannot speak to this. I would then ask in return how you can. But I will do my best to respond to your question as if it was a real question.

I definitely can't. I have to rely on what I hear from the black community.

I appreciate your experience and that, in many ways, the treatment of minorities has improved since the 1950s. This doesn't mean that there are not significant issues that face POC in America. Police brutality being one of them.

I have no idea of the extent and manner of your involvement with the "black community", especially the ones living in the inner city. If I were to bet, I would assume you live in mostly white housing in a mostly white neghborhood far from the inner city, but I could be wrong. Maybe you are the lone white guy in a black neighborhood. I know one such liberal and admire him for living his convictions. But my guess is what you hear from the black community you hear through the TV.

If I relied on what I hear from the 'aged community", I would think that their residence is infested with rapists hiding in the spaces in the walls. Just because they think they see something, does not mean it is real. We have brains - let's use them instead of blindly accepting what we are told without question.

Police brutality is NOT one of them. Poverty is one. The deterioration of the family is one. But this "police brutality" is like a flat tire - it happens occasionally, it is vexing when it happens, but it is not an everyday occurrence. I think we could make more progress toward a colorblind society if certain groups were not always drawing attention to color.


It saddens me to see you and so many like you swallow this. But that is why I am a conservative and you are...not. You believe what you are told without analysis. I analyse. If a black man says to you that he was stopped for a DWB by a racist cop, you believe him. I think, why would he believe that? What are the facts?

I think also we come from very different circumstances and times. But I guess we will continue on our merry ways, one tilting at windmills, one ignoring them. (I left you some room there).