(06-04-2020 11:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 11:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 10:17 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 09:28 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 06:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Boil this post down and it’s a tribalistic “Liberals bad, conservatives good.” It’s pretty impressive how all the blame is shifted to liberals, as opposed to evenly spread, as it should be.

Yet it is your tribe that calls us 'deplorables". it is your tribe that riots and attacks us.

But the most intriguing this is the 50/50 split of blame you propose. where is the evidence for that?

I think in the case of the rioting and civil unrest across the country, we can rightfully put the lion's share of blame on the left.

On the matter of the Covid shutdown, I don't know where to put the blame. But I do know one tribe wants to re-open more than the other, and the other tribe wants to to extend the closings at any economic cost.

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This also ignores that liberals had been protesting the exact same issue of police brutality, but had been told that peacefully kneeling during the national anthem wasn’t appropriate. The grievance isn’t new, and the grievance has legitimacy about the structural issues that result in biased outcomes in policing.

Police brutality is rare these days. I remember when it wasn't. Take my word for it, things have changed. But in any case, it is not limited to white cops/black citizens. Why do you think it is? Because of the vague charge of "systemic" racism? How do you prove that? But in any case, why hasn't it been addressed and rooted out by the legions of black/Democratic police officials and city and county officials over the last 40-60 years? How can we blame that on the conservatives, when it is the liberals in power where the "brutality" and 'systemic racism" occurs?

OO, what are your circumstances that allow you to assess the state of police brutality these days? Specifically when it comes to the current experience of inner-city black males (which seems to be the main issue when these stories keep hitting the news cycle)?

I guess you are saying that if I am not an inner city black male, I cannot speak to this. I would then ask in return how you can. But I will do my best to respond to your question as if it was a real question.

I definitely can't. I have to rely on what I hear from the black community.

I appreciate your experience and that, in many ways, the treatment of minorities has improved since the 1950s. This doesn't mean that there are not significant issues that face POC in America. Police brutality being one of them.

By any reasonable statistical measure, fatal police brutality -- a cop killing someone without legal justification -- is rare, and has never been more so in this country's admittedly imperfect but hardly irredeemably evil history. It is vanishingly rare, even when compared just to all fatal shootings by police (of which there about 1000 every year), never mind the orders-of-magnitude-larger number of all arrests by police (10 million per year), never mind again all citizen interactions with police (50 million per year).

And then the specific subset of white-cop-kills-black-citizen is smaller still.

So yes there is a "systemic" and "institutional" problem here. Quite a lot of institutions -- media, academia, one of the country's two political parties, etc. -- have stoked the notion -- the lie -- that what is rare is actually commonplace.

And this is now believed as an article of faith, and when an outlier event happens, confirmation bias turns it into "proof" of the thing believed in.