(06-04-2020 10:17 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 09:28 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 06:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Boil this post down and it’s a tribalistic “Liberals bad, conservatives good.” It’s pretty impressive how all the blame is shifted to liberals, as opposed to evenly spread, as it should be.

Yet it is your tribe that calls us 'deplorables". it is your tribe that riots and attacks us.

But the most intriguing this is the 50/50 split of blame you propose. where is the evidence for that?

I think in the case of the rioting and civil unrest across the country, we can rightfully put the lion's share of blame on the left.

On the matter of the Covid shutdown, I don't know where to put the blame. But I do know one tribe wants to re-open more than the other, and the other tribe wants to to extend the closings at any economic cost.

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This also ignores that liberals had been protesting the exact same issue of police brutality, but had been told that peacefully kneeling during the national anthem wasn’t appropriate. The grievance isn’t new, and the grievance has legitimacy about the structural issues that result in biased outcomes in policing.

Police brutality is rare these days. I remember when it wasn't. Take my word for it, things have changed. But in any case, it is not limited to white cops/black citizens. Why do you think it is? Because of the vague charge of "systemic" racism? How do you prove that? But in any case, why hasn't it been addressed and rooted out by the legions of black/Democratic police officials and city and county officials over the last 40-60 years? How can we blame that on the conservatives, when it is the liberals in power where the "brutality" and 'systemic racism" occurs?

OO, what are your circumstances that allow you to assess the state of police brutality these days? Specifically when it comes to the current experience of inner-city black males (which seems to be the main issue when these stories keep hitting the news cycle)?

I guess you are saying that if I am not an inner city black male, I cannot speak to this. I would then ask in return how you can. But I will do my best to respond to your question as if it was a real question.

We live in a post-Miranda world. I grew up pre-miranda, in a segregated society. We called it the 50's. I saw much of what was done to people then. When I was a teenager, I was pulled in on a minor possession charge. I saw a man being beaten by cops. White man, white cops. I took it as a sign I should be respectful.

I don't see how the police could carry on a reign of terror in these days. It is just not permitted anymore, even if they wanted to. Too many eyes, too many reporters, to many lawyers.

The incidents are bad, but they are rare. maybe once a month on average, in a nation of 350MM. Maybe millions of police/citizen interactions daily. One time my mother saw a herd of buffalo running down the street in front of our house. That did not make it the norm. I think these regrettable incidents like happened to George Floyd are rare, else we would have a daily report. Maybe you could tell me why you think they are common. We also see on the news reports of 6 year olds driving cars.

Also, I think a lot of it is perception rather than fact. Say police officer Joe White has been informed by his wife that she is leaving him for his best friend. He goes to work in a bad mood, and sets up a speed trap. First person he catches is me, bopping along at 60 in a 40. he asks for license and registration, is taciturn and barely civil to me. he gives me a ticket. I go on my way mad I got caught. The next driver is Joe Black, a black man. Officer White pulls him over for doing 60 in a 40. he gives him a ticket. he is taciturn and barely civil. Joe Black leaves, convinced he has, yet again, gotten a ticket for DWB. More oppression, in his mind, when in reality, none was there. Just an unfriendly cop, giving a well deserved ticket. I, a white,, don't see it as racial. Joe, a black, does.

Another thing is that the set up does not make logical sense. Why is the police the only municipal department that is racist? Don't code enforcement inspect black owned buildings? Doesn't Power and Light send out bills to everybody? But the legend is not just that the police are racist, but they are racist coast to coast, big cities and small, from East bum****, Va to West bum****, Wa., in towns run by conservatives, and in towns run by liberals. That narrative does not make logical sense to me. does it make sense to you?

I am also bothered by the evidence for this alleged racism. Usually, it rests on two items: White cop, black citizen. Other situations sometimes have bad outcomes, and they are ignored.

Growing up, I was used to seeing signs that said "colored in back" or "colored only" pr "whites only". I bet most of these rioters/protesters have never been turned away from a restaurant or motel due to their race. Times have changed.

Yeah, being poor sucks. Growing up in a 90%+ hispanic town, it was the poor who got the brunt of law enforcement. the rich mostly got away with it. But since the poor and the rich and the cops were all Hispanic, nobody tried to make a racist thing out of it.