(05-28-2020 11:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 11:12 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 11:06 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 10:13 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 09:30 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  You are surely aware of the issues in Chicago with tight Illinois gun laws and loose gun laws in close-by neighboring states. This has been discussed ad nauseum any time gun violence in Chicago is brought up so I'm going to assume that you're just trolling here.

I would surmise there are just as many guns in Houston as in Chicago -- probably more. So your 'pawning the gun violence' off on the ignorant neighbors who allow gun sales really doesnt even come close to an explanation.

According to the 2017 FBI statistics, the murder incidence of Houston was 239 in a population of 2.3 million --- a rate of 1.1 for each 10,000.

Chicago had 658 murders in a population of 2.7 million --- a rate of 2.4 for each 10,000.

It is as easy to legally obtain a handgun *in* the city limits of Houston as compared to one purchasing as a strawman in Indiana (which I assume is your boogeyman, and 170 miles from Chicago as well).

Yep, neighbors having looser gun control than Chicago's near ban *really* doesnt explain that massive disparity. Please feel free to continue with the 'blame the neighbors' canard there.

The persecution complex is so damn strong.


Also, what map are you looking at that has Chicago 170 miles from Indiana??? The Indiana border is so close to Chicago that Indiana advertises their lower cost of living on Chicago city buses. Downtown Chicago is less than 20 miles from Whiting, which is right on the Indiana side of the border. The nearest Cabella's is like 30 miles from Chicago.

I thought the same thing. Plenty of people live on the Indiana side and commute into the Chicago area for work. They are not making a 3.5 hour drive each way.

Tanq, I'm curious as to your opinion about the reasons for the murder rate of Chicago to be twice that of Houston. Do you think it involves different approaches to gun laws?

In terms of my thoughts on the topic... I think this passage from the Chicago Tribune makes sense:

“One of the ways Chicago is different is that our social conditions are not anything like those now in New York City and Los Angeles,” Jens Ludwig, director of the Crime Lab, told a City Club audience early this year. “We are not just the most segregated city in America, but the level of concentrated poverty we have in our neighborhoods is unlike anything in Los Angeles or New York. You would not find an Englewood or Garfield Park anywhere in Los Angeles and New York.”

The dynamics at play, the ones Chicagoans want to understand to end the bloodshed, are complex. Gang life is a substitute for hope in isolated neighborhoods. Every shooting invites a retaliatory attack. In a city of 2.7 million people, a relatively small number of criminals — perhaps 5,000 to 10,000 thugs and drug dealers — are driving a large share of the violence. “It’s the same individuals that continuously commit these crimes,” Chicago Police Department Superintendent Eddie Johnson said

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/e...story.html