(06-26-2019 07:03 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 03:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 02:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 01:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here is what I don't understand.

Conservatives disavow the alt-right, but still get branded with it, no matter how hard they disavow.

Liberals embrace antifa, but then make some half-assed denial, and come out unscathed.

That seems to me to be a very severe double standard.

"Liberals embrace antifa". Nope.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/c...-story.htm

Nothing here to suggest that mainstream liberals embrace antifa.

Quote:https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=lib...&FORM=VIRE

Nothing here either to suggest that liberals embrace antifa. It's a quick clip with coverage of the clash between far-right groups and antifa. Nothing here that suggests that one side or the other started the violence first. The last speaker (Berkeley leader of an anti-police violence group) suggests that he wasn't sorry about the way the alt-right left the city. Not a lot of context here.

Quote:https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/...rfect.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/40169...e-of-right

Certainly Lemon are Cuomo are more in line with "mainstream" liberals than the Berkeley examples. I watched both clips. Both made the argument that, if choosing sides, that the anti-fascists had the moral high-ground over the fascists in their skirmish. Nothing to suggest that they supported unprovoked violence against the far right. It seems that unprovoked violence from antifa is what is mainly bothering you guys? A peaceful counterprotest is fine, right? Again, not a lot of meat here and still a far cry from proof that liberals "embrace" antifa.

I have a feeling that the vast majority of liberals would say that they condemn unprovoked violence from antifa against the groups that they oppose. Do you think differently?

I guess that would depend on how vast the "vast" majority is. Nobody has anything bad to say to about them until pushed by somebody like me. Plus, since according to Hillary, half of her opposition were in that bunch of fascists, I guess that means it is OK for them to attack a quarter of the nation. After all, their cause is righteous and therefore whatever they do is justified.

Re; the bolded;

Strange to consider that masked people inciting random violence hold the "moral high ground" over anybody. I guess that is like saying Idi Amin was morally better than Hitler.

Yes, unprovoked violence bothers me. What really bothers me is that it seems to bother me more than it bothers most leftists.

Next time Antifa strikes, the left will be quiet.