(02-26-2012 12:05 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 10:54 AM)billyjack Wrote:  

(02-23-2012 09:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ...the SI ranking is based primarily on accomplishments from a half-century ago, and sadly for Cincy, that was well before college basketball became a big-time sport, so it doesn't help your brand identity much at all, if any

Just to put this out there, speaking of a half-century ago in hoops... Ohio State has made only 1 non-vacated Final Four since the 60's... their only national title was before Cincy won their two... their #12 rank definitely feeds off the Havlicek/ Jerry Lucas era...

No question about that. But, thanks to football and their status as a major flagship university, Ohio State has always maintained a very high overall athletic profile, and this rubs off onto their basketball as well.

They therefore have "big time" status while Cincy does not, even though their actual historical and contemporary basketball accomplishments are similar.

yup and despite what you are trying to say, stats show you to be wrong...yet again.

You say we are not "big time" in hoops, yet Sports Illustrated rated us as #10 best basketball program all time. They came to that conclusion using stats....you on the other hand use your "gut", and a dart board....this is why nobody in this forum takes what you say seriously...you talk a lot, but usually stats disprove your points. But thanks for sharing your ideas on brand...so noted.

At the end of they day we are two guys with two diffrerent opinions...the difference is, the opinion I hold also has the backing of stats, Sports Illustrated's opinion, and the opinion of most people ...

Why are you so willfully blind? Sports Illustrated rankings mean nothing because it is based on accomplishments from a half-century ago. That was already explained to you.

It is indisputably true that Cincinnati is simply not in the same class of big-time brand-name as is Ohio State. It doesn't matter how many times Bearcats fans tell themselves otherwise, that is the way it is.

And it explains Ohio State reticence about playing you: Akron is also not big time, but Akron also isn't a threat to win a game either. Cincy is, so there is no upside for Ohio State to play you.