(11-28-2020 12:24 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 10:57 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 12:55 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 09:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-27-2020 08:58 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Don’t care enough to check others, but know Memphis has received votes in other years...not that that matters much imo. Bowl viewership has zero bearing on conference contracts as they are negotiated separately per committee members who negotiated the current deal. A better measure may be G5 season games over multiple years. I have no opinion one way or the other on specific teams, just clarifying what numbers are pertinent to media deals.[/size]

In 2019, Marshall at Boise State got 1.38 million viewers...

In 2020, the Appalachian State at Marshall game got 1.25 million viewers.

That's it.

Not quite...

There were actually a few more Marshall FB games that had more than 450,000 viewers between 2015 and 2020 (links below). In addition, it makes sense to extend the comparisons back to the first AAC season in 2013.

1. In 2013, Marshall vs. Rice had 449,000 viewers

2. In 2013, Marshall vs. Virginia Tech had 738,000 viewers

3. In 2013, Marshall vs. Maryland had 2,580,000 viewers

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...rchived/4/

4. In 2014, Marshal vs. WKU had 463,000 viewers

5. In 2014, Marshall vs. Louisiana Tech had 725,000 viewers

6. In 2014, Marshall vs. N. Illinois had 2,225,000 viewers

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings-archived/3/

7. In 2015, Marshall vs. Purdue had 688,000 viewers

8. In 2015, Marshall vs. UConn had 2,400,000 viewers

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings-archived/2/

9. In 2017, Marshall vs. Middle Tennessee had 435,000 viewers

10. In 2017, Marshall vs. Colorado State had 1,212,000 viewers

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017-college-football-tv-ratings/

11. In 2018, Marshall vs. USF had 1,750,000 viewers

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018-co...v-ratings/

12. In 2019, Marshall vs. UCF had 1,150,000 million viewers

13. In 2019, Marshall - Boise State got 1,380,000 viewers.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/2/

14. In 2020, Marshall's game with EKU drew 980,000 viewers.

15. In 2020, the App. State - Marshall game got 1,250,000 viewers.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

(11-27-2020 09:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Not additive.
Not a benefit.

Standing pat is better than a net negative.

That does not compute!






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On average, between 2013 and 2020, Marshall has played 1.875 games per season with 450,000 or more viewers, per season. They have posted solid viewership numbers over 7 of the 8 seasons (2013-2020).

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NOTE: As one of the few remaining undefeated teams in the country, Marshall's viewership in the C-USA championship game and an expected bowl game are also likely to be in the million-plus range.

Jed, Jed, Jed....

Okay, I guess I have to re-post the content of post #410 that you selectively edited out. We were talking about conference controlled games and intra-conference games over 1,000,000 viewers. '15-'20 AAC had 53 conference controlled games over a million - Marshall and the rest of the CUSA 1. '15-'20 AAC had 23 intra-conference games over a million - Marshall and the rest of the CUSA 0. 53 to 1. 23 to 0.

Why not before 2015? Well, I'm a Navy fan. In addition to the question of how do you treat Navy games from before 2015, what credit do you give to Louisville, Rutgers, others who played with the AAC patch on their jerseys before leaving? I'll look at current AAC makeup to address the bowls later on, but not to re-create those regular seasons.

And I don't really have to anyway.
You listed 15 datapoints.

#13 and #15 were already included in my post #410.
Then you added a slew that moved the goalposts from a million down to 435,000. (I know you SAID you were counting 450k + but you listed two lower than your own changed arbitrary threshhold. Jed gotta Jed). I can't fathom why you picked that, but it goes along with your imaginary "Top 35" I guess. Anyway, let's take a look...
#2 was at VT - not conference controlled. I would add another 27 non-AAC-controlled games over a million from '15-'20, moving from a 53-1 advantage to 80-2...but this one wasn't even over a million...
#1, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 14 are conference controlled, even intra-conference games but under a million. How many would I add to lower the bar for AAC games? Well, in 2020 so far I count 8 AAC controlled games between 435K and one million. 6 in 2019, 7 in 2018. 53-1 turns into at least 74-6. Missing three years of 435k-1M and that's already more than 11-1, so below average of the AAC.

Your #3, 6, 8, 10, 11, and 12 are bowl games. I directly addressed four of the six in post #403. I'll paste that in and add a comparison to the bowl viewership of the current 11 AAC members in 2014 and 2013.
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In 2019, the Gasparilla Bowl vs Marshall was the dead last worst viewed AAC bowl. 2019 AAC bowls averaged 1.97 million viewers without Memphis' Cotton Bowl, 2.57 million with it.
In 2018, the Gasparilla Bowl vs Marshall was the dead last worst viewed AAC bowl. 2018 AAC bowls averaged 2.26 million without UCF's Fiesta Bowl, 3.299 million with the Fiesta.
In 2017 AAC bowls averaged 2.303 million viewers without UCF's Peach Bowl, 3.171 million with the Peach.
In 2016 AAC bowls averaged 2.145 million viewers.
In 2015 UConn's St Petersburg Bowl vs Marshall with 2.4 million viewers was the fourth best viewership of the AAC's eight bowls. Ahead of the 2.166 million viewer average without Houston's Peach Bowl. AAC bowls including the Peach averaged 2.596 million viewers.
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In 2014 Marshall NIU bowl drew 2.25 million viewers. The 11 current AAC members were in six bowls that year, averaging 2.76 million viewers
In 2013 Marshall Maryland bowl drew 2.58 million viewers. The 11 current AAC members were in six bowls that year, averaging 3.94 million viewers (five averaged 2.466 million IF you exclude UCF's Fiesta).
For the most part, bowl games are gonna get the audience that they're gonna get. A handful of blue-bloods will change a bowl game's numbers, e.g. Notre Dame in the Citrus Bowl jumping its ratings/viewership over non-semifinal NY6 games. Generally highly dependent on timeslot. More importantly, bowls are completely separate from the conference's media rights deal. But the bottom line on those six Marshall bowls, though, are that they don't prove any additive value.

You listed fifteen examples overall that do nothing to refute my points or advance the argument that Marshall - or any G4 of similar profile - would be a net add to the AAC.

You also added an extra-small note predicting that Marshall's CUSA CCG might get over one million viewers. First, we'll never know - it's on CBSSN. Second, no track record to say so - at least two of your long list of Marshall games failing to get over one million viewers were CUSA CCGs at 449k and 725k; that's OK, Boise's mwc CCGs rarely get over a million, just like all the other G4 CCGs. Which gets us to the third point - IF they got over a million, AAC CCG will probably get over 3 million, so it makes MY case, not yours.

I almost went to look for the numbers and I was like nah, SLH already has them. As always an authoritative source on the the facts and figures.

I am sure that I am not the only one on this board who appreciates your accumulation of accurate data. It's useful and creates interesting comparisons to see the progress of the football side of the conference as we push to try and catch up with the A5.

Didn't I say something very similar about SLH not long ago and you gave me some **** about it?

He is the analytics master of AAC viewership.