(03-19-2020 02:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 02:33 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 02:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 02:07 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Tourists did help to spread it. But it got out of Wuhan (the locus of their biological weapons research center) via the myriad of corporations which located their production facilities there. We know the Chinese sat on this for several weeks before admitting they had a problem and locking down travel to and from Wuhan.

Now whether this is a virus spread from pangolins or something else it got out precisely because of the initial handling of the outbreak, where silence was not the best response, but typical of the Chinese communist regime.

Anyone with any sanity knows that Chinese people here or abroad are not responsible, but their government is if for no other reason than their lack of a quarantine from the site of origin originally accompanied by their notification of those who had left the region in the previous month. So they, the government of China, are to blame, period.

Their government didn't do great to start things off, but let's not pretend that our government didn't try to do the exact same thing here for a while.

There were literally statements declaring the magnitude of the issue as a hoax (I'm not saying the President ever said the virus itself was a hoax, he DID say that the projections for how bad it will get was a hoax by the Democrats as their next way to attack him).

South Korea had their first cases around the same time we did. Their response was to treat it seriously and start testing anyone and everyone, and then followed up on everyone who had contact with anyone who had tested positive. The only reason it got as bad as it did there for a while was because of a single person who ignored the regulations they were trying to put in place (story here: https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALT...dex.html). We're undertesting and have still passed them for number of cases (people are still being turned away who have many of the symptoms, because the tests are being saved for people who are extremely sick or who have had contact with a confirmed case...but because they're not testing everyone there are fewer confirmed cases which means there will be fewer links and they keep testing no one except the very ill). They also have the lowest mortality rate because they slowed the spread to the point where hospitals didn't get overwhelmed. The opposite of what we're seeing in most European and American countries.

Imagine what it would look like if literally every country responded that way rather than just blaming China.

There are two things wrong here:
1. The immediate discussion was about fault. That plainly lies with China.
2. What other countries have and haven't done and your political beliefs over it are for the Spin Room as the OP here is about whether we might lose the 2020 football season due to the virus outbreak and spread and is not intended on this board to deal with the political fallout.

And that's all need be said for the purposes of this thread.

Why are you jumping on me and not the guy who posted this bull****: "Well they created it, so they can stop it."

Which is an obviously untrue and dangerous statement that has nothing to do with the topic? (if you want to say they created it, whatever, don't go out saying they can stop it...that pushes WELL beyond fault)

My initial statements were about how China's slowing rate of infection has nothing to do with ours because we have different responses. So we shouldn't assume the season will be back on based on their current trajectory (which is not ours, which is still exponential). All of my statements can be tied to whether or not a season will happen later this year, because all of my statements are about the rate of spread within this country and others.

If you don't want people bringing in their politics or personal beliefs, lead by example and don't post things like this. It'll make people think other stuff is fair game.

JRsec Wrote:But you won't hear it on the MSM because they need the crisis and the TDS heading into the election.

I'm jumping on you because you are trying to turn this thread into a political matter.

And you quoted me out of context from a post talking about what Australia is claiming cures the disease and what Northern Europe is doing to boost patients immunity through blood serum. The quip was about the lack of news stories on our networks. The implication was that their "news" is only bad, when there are some breakthroughs in the treatment of this illness.

Finally, when I say that's all for politics in the thread, I mean that's all.

Sorry, but there is no context in which the statement "But you won't hear about it on the MSM because they need the crisis and the TDS heading into the election." can be viewed as apolitical.

Anyway, here's hoping we all act reasonably and responsibly in an effort to return to normalcy, whenever that may be (hopefully soon enough for college football!)