(09-06-2019 10:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 09:59 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 08:33 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:42 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 10:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I would welcome answers to the above from any liberal, not just Fountains. I an genuinely desirous to know more of this toxic culture.

As for the "stupid party" comment, here are my thoughts on it. Sometimes an individual has a stupid thought or belief, such as "Whites are superior to blacks". Are we all in agreement that is stupid?

Now if he gets together with other people who share his stupid belief, alike say, the KKK, is that not a stupid organization? Now whether we call that group a gang, a lodge, or a party, aren't they still stupid? I certainly think the KKK is a stupid party, just as I think the NFL kneelers are stupid - most of them don't have any idea of what they are "protesting".

Please provide some evidence that the majority of NFL players who are protesting "don't have any idea" why.

Just take a look at the wide range of reasons given. They range from 'police brutality' to 'criminal justice discrimination' to 'LGBTQ' to 'Trump sucks' along with probably at least ten or twelve other individualized reasons.

The kneel has seemingly devolved into a protest for anything and everything that the individualized protester seemingly wants it to be.

Most 'kneel downs' have zero accompanying statement of why, so one could use this as such evidence. Not to mention as evidence of the efficacy of the 'statement' of the kneel.

The Texans had an uncommented 'kneel' only after the owner made a comment about 'the inmates running the prison' -- please do tell us how that adds to any cogent, directed point.

Considering the Saints' 'kneel down' had zero comment, Drew Brees tweeted "As a way to show respect to all, our #Saints team will kneel in solidarity prior to the national anthem & stand together during the anthem." That...... doesnt tell me very much at all.

Perhaps they 'dont know the reason why' may not be accurate. Perhaps the statement of 'because any number of varied and random reasons, some stated, and many not, and confusing as all sin to the outside world' is a better descriptor. Does that do it better for you?

Don't have time to go through all this at work but to say that players are protesting without having a clue why they are doing so paints them as relative dullards. When I hear Kaepernick, Stills, Martellus Bennett, etc. speak on the topic it is clear that they are thoughtful and informed.

When Kaepernick started this whole thing, he said it was because he would not honor the flag of an oppressive country. HE said it. He SAID it.

Here are his exact words:

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” he told NFL Media in an interview published on Saturday.

What I hear most often is "police brutality".

What I hear most often is team solidarity. As in, I will support this, whatever it is, because i don't want my teammates mad at me.

Must still be 1952.

Since you have listened when Kaepernick, Stills and Bennett spoke on the subject, and they were thoughtful and informed, tell us what they are protesting.

And tell us if you think the USA is an oppressive country.

Again... busy so will respond more later but of course the USA has a long history of injustice when it comes to black people. Does injustice = oppression?

Tell me if you think black people are treated equally in the US in 2019.