(06-21-2021 04:21 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Owl, our disagreement on this is not because of the words of the text, (the words of the Bible plainly state it is the final authority on doctrine in multiple verses, multiple chapters and multiple books), the problem is you reject the words of the text for the sake of your traditions and doctrines of men.

You openly admit that the traditions and doctrines of men have authority over the scripture. Yes Jesus Himself rebuked this WORD FOR WORD in an incredibly specific manner, He taught the Word of God has full authority over the traditions and doctrines of men.

Mark 7:

He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men....

He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.

Making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”



There is no way you can truthfully get around this. It cannot be stated more plainly than this, this is as black and white as it gets. If you can't accept Jesus' words here, then there are no words would would ever accept on this in any situation. There is no way it can be worded and there is no context it can be explained from that will ever matter to you on it. You have chosen you traditions and doctrines of men over the Word of God.

Paul warned NEVER to go beyond scripture, but that is exactly what you argue, that the men in your denomination and church have final authority over even scripture. And that approach not only defies Jesus and the entire Bible, it leaves you at the mercy of flawed men, who can be corrupted and lead people astray with false doctrines, particularity when they name themselves the final authority and there is no standard of reproof and correction above them.

This. Owl initially correctly responded to my question of why Priests were not married by answering inheritance. That was spot on. It was a decision by the Catholic Church to keep all the wealth. Period.

Owl by all accounts is a man of God and is just being misled. He is trying to substantiate the idea as being Biblical or in accordance with the will of God which clearly it is not. It is one of reasons the Vatican is decorated in Gold. Wealth is seen as power in the secular world but not in God's world.