(11-30-2017 01:42 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If you are trained, it's probably not a big issue. But if you are a weekend warrior or
a Starbucks ninja, you are just asking to have it taken away by people with bad intent.

Ask an off duty officer why they don't open carry.

The whole purpose of a permit is that you're trained. I realize this can be skirted and maybe we change the training....

but 'having it taken away by people with bad intent' is sort of a problem in reverse, isn't it? People with bad intent don't think... I'll go to starbucks and steal a gun from an open carry person and then rob them all. They have a gun already.

As to the off duty cop, I suspect a lot of it is so that they don't draw attention and then they can get the drop on the perp... and not that they're worried they'll be jumped and have it stolen. If that were the case, then cops would be targets all the time of gun thieves/people with bad intent. We don't really see that.



But what does any of that have to do with the fact that people with permit's to carry, whether open OR concealed don't commit crimes and criminals would conceal carry?

If you're saying that we're safer if everyone concealed carries and thus they can all get the bad guys who conceal as well, okay... but THAT sounds like a recipe for the weekend warrior to me

Again, I'd like to see an honest analysis. I don't think you and i have different goals, just concerns about different aspects of it.

You seem concerned that criminals can now steal guns from you (pretty risky proposition to steal someone's gun in public) and I'm more concerned that we treat honest citizens like criminals and ignore the criminals.