Aztecgolfer
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RE: A theory on Pac-12 expansion
(08-05-2022 07:42 PM)bullet Wrote: (08-05-2022 04:50 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: (08-05-2022 03:31 PM)bullet Wrote: (08-05-2022 02:52 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote: (08-05-2022 09:47 AM)e-parade Wrote: Does it move the needle at all? Yeah, almost certainly.
Does it move it enough? This is what I'm saying is the question on their minds. I'm not saying it one way or another, I'm saying the concept of recruiting the region is on their mind, and if they determine SDSU is enough to keep them relevant in the area, then they will be more likely to move on them regardless of what sort of monetary component they bring to the media deal.
I'm not sure how much more clear I can make this: I'm not saying the recruiting that potentially comes with SDSU is worth it. I'm saying the remaining PAC members are considering the recruiting in SoCal factor as a key one, and they will determine whether or not it's worth it.
Also your analogy would be more accurate as: your girlfriend (Los Angeles) broke up with you and you're making a decision on whether to date someone similar but not quite the same (San Diego) or to not date anyone for the time being.
Your girlfriend left you for the money. She left for the guy with a better portfolio. A common tale in Los Angeles. The new girlfriend in San Diego just wants to be loved.
She has potential, but you may need to get her into the gym.
San Diego State has the best résumé of any G5 school in the country and they just happen to be in Southern California:
1. Since 2010. they are 106-48 and have made a bowl game every season, with the exception of the 2020 Covid season. They have not had a losing season since 2009.
2. They have had 17 consecutive winning seasons in basketball, averaging just under 27 wins per season. They average over 10,000 fans per game in basketball.
3. The San Diego area produces a lot of football talent and San Diego State has had some great players roll through school, including two NFL MVP's (Brian Sipe in 1980 and Marshall Faulk in 2000), Tony Gwynn in baseball and Kawhi Leonard in basketball.
4. San Diego does not have an NFL or NBA team in the city. There are obviously a lot of Laker fans and Charger fans there, but nothing in the city for competition.
SDSU can move the needle. but no one can replace UCLA and USC. The Rose Bowl and LA Coliseum are gone. She left and all you have are the memories. So you make some new memories with the San Diego girl.
They haven't done enough in basketball to offset that Boise is heads above them in football. Boise has been better in football than most of the P5. So best resume is clearly false. And they stunk in football prior to 2009.
Against the whole G5, SDSU doesn't clearly stand out. One of the top 10 pretty clearly I would agree, but not a standout among those 10 who would all have pluses and minuses.
SDSU is 4-3 head-to-head against Boise State. They never played in a game against each other until 2011, when Boise State joined the MWC. Boise State has won four conference championships in 11 years, SDSU three in 11 years. Clearly in football for the past 11 seasons, Boise State is not head-and-shoulders above San Diego State in football.
The "stunk in football" prior to 2009 can easily apply to a school like Baylor. From 1996 through 2009, Baylor had 14 straight losing seasons, a record of 43-117. No one today cares about what Baylor did from 1996 through 2009.
As for basketball, they have been the best program in the MWC. Even their baseball program went to the NCAA Tournament five times from 2009 to 2018, and had a No. 1 pick overall in the MLB draft in pitcher Stephen Strasburg. Boise State does not have a baseball program. Boise State needs to fly to Southern California to find football talent. SDSU lives in Southern California. In the MWC, SDSU is the best G5 candidate for the PAC and it is not close. We could debate the other G5 schools back east, but they are back east, so it is pointless.
After Fischer got them to the Big Dance in his 4th year, they have missed the big dance 3 times (3 in the last 5), gone out in the 1st round 4 times, 2nd round twice and only made the sweet 16 twice, never the elite 8. They are part of the reason RPI is being discredited. Good RPI, flameout quickly in the tourney. Good program, but just haven't gone far enough to outweigh Boise football.
You sound like a ridiculous homer trying to say SDSU is the equal to Boise in football. Call back when you have a top 10 finish. Boise has 4 + 9 other top 25 finishes. Call back when you have been to a major Bowl. Boise has 3 Fiesta Bowl wins.
And yes, people do care that Baylor was awful from 1996-2009. Its a black mark on their resume. They don't get to pretend that time or Dave Bliss or Art Briles don't exist.
Gee, the year that was cancelled by COVID (2020) we would have been no lower than a 2 seed in MM. And we would have had our center, Nathan Mensah, back at the time of the tourney. He missed much of the year due to a lung embolism. That was one hell of a team even without Mensah.
Both times we have made the "Sweet Sixteen" we lost to the eventual champion. Last two years we have drawn Syracuse (who plays a 2/3 zone) and Creighton in the first round. Currently, we are projected as a 14-15 rating. I think that is low but we will see in the Maui Tournament. We have a redshirt by the name of Jaedon LeDee who has been really good in his redshirt practice (another "best player on the floor" like Xavier Thames and Malachi Flynn) and in our local "Swish" league. Not only did we bring in some very good players, we brought back 3 "super seniors."
Our BB has done pretty good despite being in the MWC.
Boise St. had a good run in football, but they are nothing special now. Again, we are 4-3 against them since we started playing them in 2011. Yes, BSU has a storied history but that is well in the rear view mirror now. They were just 7-5 last year under Avalos who is is twice removed from Chris Petersen. I'd say SDSU is currently a better football program than Boise St., at least viewing current recruiting stats. After that, we are much better in BB as well as budget numbers. And the latter is going to significantly increase with the new stadium.
Would I be against BSU tagging along with us to either the PAC or B12? Nope. Right now it appears that one reason the PAC hasn't already taken us is the lack of an equal partner.
(This post was last modified: 08-05-2022 09:23 PM by Aztecgolfer.)
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