(12-24-2020 12:30 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 08:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 07:11 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 05:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The first part of this article is essentially lays out exactly why its an absolutely automatic "yes" for the AAC to add Boise as a "football only" member of they are interested. The below line pretty much sums it up.

Most Group of 5 schools — heck, many Power 5 ones as well — spend decades and untold millions looking to establish what Boise did long ago: tradition, culture, identity, brand. It would fair to say Boise State is the Notre Dame of the Group of 5.



https://footballscoop.com/news/bryan-har...from-here/

Ahhh no

Boise has that cached with people over 35 and under 50. People over 50 don't give them much consideration in the college landscape. People under 35 don't have the BCS controversy and Statue of Liberty burned into their head. The average high school player outside of the NW and California is mostly oblivious.

I don't think they're an unknown for today's high school students. Boise gets a lot of love from ESPN, and the smurf turf is recognizable.
For those potential recruits, yes they've faded since 2014 Fiesta, and statue of liberty in 2007 Fiesta may not resonate, but still some brand value with today's youngsters. Not as much but still there.

Fair enough, the blue turf holds some resonance. I would contend that reality is by far closer to my assessment that that they are a ND of the G5. Which to be truthful seems to be the role of BYU.

Theyve won 100 games since joining the MW. How many other teams in Division 1A have that many wins since 2011? No G5 for sure.

(12-24-2020 10:59 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 12:30 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 08:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 07:11 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 05:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The first part of this article is essentially lays out exactly why its an absolutely automatic "yes" for the AAC to add Boise as a "football only" member of they are interested. The below line pretty much sums it up.

Most Group of 5 schools — heck, many Power 5 ones as well — spend decades and untold millions looking to establish what Boise did long ago: tradition, culture, identity, brand. It would fair to say Boise State is the Notre Dame of the Group of 5.



https://footballscoop.com/news/bryan-har...from-here/

Ahhh no

Boise has that cached with people over 35 and under 50. People over 50 don't give them much consideration in the college landscape. People under 35 don't have the BCS controversy and Statue of Liberty burned into their head. The average high school player outside of the NW and California is mostly oblivious.

I don't think they're an unknown for today's high school students. Boise gets a lot of love from ESPN, and the smurf turf is recognizable.
For those potential recruits, yes they've faded since 2014 Fiesta, and statue of liberty in 2007 Fiesta may not resonate, but still some brand value with today's youngsters. Not as much but still there.

Fair enough, the blue turf holds some resonance. I would contend that reality is by far closer to my assessment that that they are a ND of the G5. Which to be truthful seems to be the role of BYU.

Actually, the blue turf has lost its novelty and is just annoying. Imagine if other teams went that route -- red turf in Cincy, purple at ECU, gold at CFU, etc. Gross.

Its still pretty novel. Blue at Boise, Red at Eastern Washington, Teal at Coastal Carolina.

(12-24-2020 01:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 01:07 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 09:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 07:11 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Ahhh no

Boise has that cached with people over 35 and under 50. People over 50 don't give them much consideration in the college landscape. People under 35 don't have the BCS controversy and Statue of Liberty burned into their head. The average high school player outside of the NW and California is mostly oblivious.

I have to agree. Their brand is overhyped here for sure. I remember before them Marshall was the big “giant killer” or whatever. Well, after a cold spell Marshall is no different from Akron, minus the movie, which is now probably too old for high schoolers anyway.

And that "cold spell" is exactly why Boise isnt Marshall. Consistency. Boise has been winning at a high level in FBS for over 20 years. They have been to a bowl every single year since 1999 (they opted to sit out this year, but played in the CCG and could have had a bowl if they wanted). Boise finished ranked in the top 25 in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2017, 2018, and 2019. The same people saying "Boise is waning" or they "arent that big a name" are the same people that will trumpet flavor of the month picks like UAB, Georgia St, App St, or Marshall as good options for the AAC #12 slot. Despite being a G5, Boise is a name instantly recognized by even casual college football fans. If the AAC has the opportunity to add Boise to its roster of teams---they would be silly not to capitalize on that opportunity.

Well I can’t argue against their success and I am intrigued to see how they fair in the AAC if it happens. For the record, I think Rice is the best choice for a myriad of reasons I’ve illustrated before. Regardless, the AAC has nothing to lose with a Boise State football-only addition.

Really? That kinda surprises me. They would be near the bottom of my list of candidates. Just a couple of reasons. One---the AAC already has a team in Houston. Two---I think the AAC has to be very wary of the "getting the old band back together" CUSA stigma---which is why I think it would be smart to avoid any more old CUSA teams. Then there is the generally poor performance of the key Owl football and basketball programs. Plus, Rice is another very small school---which we already have several smaller private schools---a fact that probably doesnt get a bowl committee's juices roiling when it comes time to negotiate a bowl tie deal. .

Look, I dont want to pile on---I like Rice and usually try to attend at least one game a year there just because I like to support local teams. I always root for Rice when they arent playing an AAC team and I was happy to see them have some success this year. I just dont think Rice would be the best way to fill UConn's vacancy if we want to maximize the positive impact of filling that slot.

I see Rice being located located in Houston as a positive for Olympic sports. Their academic clout would surely excite the presidents of Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, and Navy. All of whom discussed forming a conference with Army in the early 2000’s. Their football team is not as bad as people on this forum like to say; they won their conference and went to a few bowl games but admittedly had a few horrible seasons before this one where they seem back on track. Most importantly, Rice can actually spend to be competitive at the AAC level, something I don’t see happening outside a couple other programs. Their baseball program would improve the league immediately. I say Rice is the best candidate under the pretense there would be an agreement on spending to be competitive in basketball and football, although I think they have the right guy at the helm on the gridiron.

To the Bearcat fan: The Big XII presidents must “overhype” Rice as well, because they were the only school outside the AAC/MWC/BYU to be on their expansion shortlist. I think I’ll side with the presidents of a P5 conference over some message board posters, thank you.

Mind you, Boise State was NOT on the shortlist, FWIW.

Heartwarming to know that so many care about the AAC membership especially when they could be celebrating with their families right now.

Rice offers strong baseball and as a college baseball fan, I would like that. It's a fantastic academic school in a big-time city.

But, and as some posters noted, I simply don't feel Rice is a sufficient "fit" for the American.

(12-24-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Heartwarming to know that so many care about the AAC membership especially when they could be celebrating with their families right now.

Almost as many as those who care about CUSA membership. Getting too close to call.

(12-24-2020 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 10:59 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 12:30 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 08:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 07:11 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Ahhh no

Boise has that cached with people over 35 and under 50. People over 50 don't give them much consideration in the college landscape. People under 35 don't have the BCS controversy and Statue of Liberty burned into their head. The average high school player outside of the NW and California is mostly oblivious.

I don't think they're an unknown for today's high school students. Boise gets a lot of love from ESPN, and the smurf turf is recognizable.
For those potential recruits, yes they've faded since 2014 Fiesta, and statue of liberty in 2007 Fiesta may not resonate, but still some brand value with today's youngsters. Not as much but still there.

Fair enough, the blue turf holds some resonance. I would contend that reality is by far closer to my assessment that that they are a ND of the G5. Which to be truthful seems to be the role of BYU.

Actually, the blue turf has lost its novelty and is just annoying. Imagine if other teams went that route -- red turf in Cincy, purple at ECU, gold at CFU, etc. Gross.

Its still pretty novel. Blue at Boise, Red at Eastern Washington, Teal at Coastal Carolina.

Purple and gray at Central Arkansas, blue turf at Bowie State, I think there are others.

(12-24-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Heartwarming to know that so many care about the AAC membership especially when they could be celebrating with their families right now.

Mazel Tov!

The smurf turf and the teal turf need to schedule a series.

(12-24-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Heartwarming to know that so many care about the AAC membership especially when they could be celebrating with their families right now.

...though some don't have families to celebrate with, while others don't celebrate this holiday.

RUScarlets,

Agree. Luke Fickell is bound to get picked up soon by a P5 school. TTUN could well be where he lands.

I have argued that UCLA should end the Chip Kelly experience as quickly as possible (the $9m buyout of Kelly and $4m of Fickell, plus paying him $6m to lure him away are big price tags for that school ... it's $5m cheaper next year between Kelly's drop in buyout if you fire him mid-season and Fickell's buyout drops $500K) and hire another coach from the other UC. But Michigan seems to me the candidate that can part with their current coach and hire another Buckeye coaching tree guy, much like that Bo dude they once had, and not sweat the money.

There was a Zits comic about Boise State's turf a year or two ago. Zits is not known for making sports references.

(12-24-2020 04:58 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Heartwarming to know that so many care about the AAC membership especially when they could be celebrating with their families right now.

...though some don't have families to celebrate with, while others don't celebrate this holiday.

Mighty condescending to assume everyone celebrates Christmas.

Especially during a pandemic.

(12-24-2020 06:52 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 04:58 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Heartwarming to know that so many care about the AAC membership especially when they could be celebrating with their families right now.

...though some don't have families to celebrate with, while others don't celebrate this holiday.

Mighty condescending to assume everyone celebrates Christmas.

Thanksgiving and Christmas are the worst times of year for some people.

Bah, Humbug!! (sorry, couldn't resist)

(12-24-2020 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 10:59 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 12:30 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 08:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 07:11 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Ahhh no

Boise has that cached with people over 35 and under 50. People over 50 don't give them much consideration in the college landscape. People under 35 don't have the BCS controversy and Statue of Liberty burned into their head. The average high school player outside of the NW and California is mostly oblivious.

I don't think they're an unknown for today's high school students. Boise gets a lot of love from ESPN, and the smurf turf is recognizable.
For those potential recruits, yes they've faded since 2014 Fiesta, and statue of liberty in 2007 Fiesta may not resonate, but still some brand value with today's youngsters. Not as much but still there.

Fair enough, the blue turf holds some resonance. I would contend that reality is by far closer to my assessment that that they are a ND of the G5. Which to be truthful seems to be the role of BYU.

Actually, the blue turf has lost its novelty and is just annoying. Imagine if other teams went that route -- red turf in Cincy, purple at ECU, gold at CFU, etc. Gross.

Its still pretty novel. Blue at Boise, Red at Eastern Washington, Teal at Coastal Carolina.

And the annoying grey field at Eastern Michigan...

(12-24-2020 09:10 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 10:59 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 12:30 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-23-2020 08:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I don't think they're an unknown for today's high school students. Boise gets a lot of love from ESPN, and the smurf turf is recognizable.
For those potential recruits, yes they've faded since 2014 Fiesta, and statue of liberty in 2007 Fiesta may not resonate, but still some brand value with today's youngsters. Not as much but still there.

Fair enough, the blue turf holds some resonance. I would contend that reality is by far closer to my assessment that that they are a ND of the G5. Which to be truthful seems to be the role of BYU.

Actually, the blue turf has lost its novelty and is just annoying. Imagine if other teams went that route -- red turf in Cincy, purple at ECU, gold at CFU, etc. Gross.

Its still pretty novel. Blue at Boise, Red at Eastern Washington, Teal at Coastal Carolina.

And the annoying grey field at Eastern Michigan...

And those tacky green fields at Oregon, Baylor, Michigan St, Miami FL, Marshall, UAB, North Texas, Colorado St, Hawaii, ...

(12-24-2020 09:13 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 09:10 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 11:19 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 10:59 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(12-24-2020 12:30 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Fair enough, the blue turf holds some resonance. I would contend that reality is by far closer to my assessment that that they are a ND of the G5. Which to be truthful seems to be the role of BYU.

Actually, the blue turf has lost its novelty and is just annoying. Imagine if other teams went that route -- red turf in Cincy, purple at ECU, gold at CFU, etc. Gross.

Its still pretty novel. Blue at Boise, Red at Eastern Washington, Teal at Coastal Carolina.

And the annoying grey field at Eastern Michigan...

And those tacky green fields at Oregon, Baylor, Michigan St, Miami FL, Marshall, UAB, North Texas, Colorado St, Hawaii, ...

Remember when Syracuse started playing with orange basketballs?

And when Wyoming, Bowling Green, and Western Michigan started playing with those weird brown footballs.