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RE: Colleges and Universities School Debts Can Lead To Closures
(02-27-2019 02:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NAIA Green Mountain college Plans To Close after This spring

Another school gone down in flames. Green Mountain was on the list as failing.

I'm sorry to hear that. I remember hearing about their program to prepare people to work in the ski industry. I think the student would get hired by a ski resort and learn all the different aspects from top to bottom. They would end up with a BS in business and maybe get paid by the resort at the same time. Most of the grads would have a job waiting for them. Seems like a cool program (...maybe if I was 17 again...) I hope another school picks up that program.
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(02-28-2019 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 02:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NAIA Green Mountain college Plans To Close after This spring

Another school gone down in flames. Green Mountain was on the list as failing.
What does this have to do with Athletics?

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It effects other schools who have them on their schedule in the fall of 2019. When a school closes that have sports? It disrupts other schools athletics when another school closes.
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(02-28-2019 05:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 02:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NAIA Green Mountain college Plans To Close after This spring

Another school gone down in flames. Green Mountain was on the list as failing.
What does this have to do with Athletics?

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It effects other schools who have them on their schedule in the fall of 2019. When a school closes that have sports? It disrupts other schools athletics when another school closes.
They are closing this spring. It's Feb. You have 7 month plus to find another football game.

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RE: Colleges and Universities School Debts Can Lead To Closures And Forced Realignment
(03-04-2019 06:18 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 05:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 02:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NAIA Green Mountain college Plans To Close after This spring

Another school gone down in flames. Green Mountain was on the list as failing.
What does this have to do with Athletics?

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It effects other schools who have them on their schedule in the fall of 2019. When a school closes that have sports? It disrupts other schools athletics when another school closes.
They are closing this spring. It's Feb. You have 7 month plus to find another football game.

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Green Mountain College has Cross Country (m/w), Soccer (m/w), Basketball (m/w), and Volleyball (w). That's it. In this case, the closing has no effect whatsoever on Cross Country and those other games are probably already replaced.
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RE: Colleges and Universities School Debts Can Lead To Closures And Forced Realignment
(03-04-2019 07:12 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 06:18 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 05:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 02:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NAIA Green Mountain college Plans To Close after This spring

Another school gone down in flames. Green Mountain was on the list as failing.
What does this have to do with Athletics?

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It effects other schools who have them on their schedule in the fall of 2019. When a school closes that have sports? It disrupts other schools athletics when another school closes.
They are closing this spring. It's Feb. You have 7 month plus to find another football game.

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Green Mountain College has Cross Country (m/w), Soccer (m/w), Basketball (m/w), and Volleyball (w). That's it. In this case, the closing has no effect whatsoever on Cross Country and those other games are probably already replaced.
Armageddon averted?

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RE: Colleges and Universities School Debts Can Lead To Closures And Forced Realignment
(03-05-2019 07:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 07:12 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 06:18 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 05:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  What does this have to do with Athletics?

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It effects other schools who have them on their schedule in the fall of 2019. When a school closes that have sports? It disrupts other schools athletics when another school closes.
They are closing this spring. It's Feb. You have 7 month plus to find another football game.

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Green Mountain College has Cross Country (m/w), Soccer (m/w), Basketball (m/w), and Volleyball (w). That's it. In this case, the closing has no effect whatsoever on Cross Country and those other games are probably already replaced.
Armageddon averted?

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(03-05-2019 08:27 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 07:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 07:12 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 06:18 PM)panama Wrote:  
(02-28-2019 05:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It effects other schools who have them on their schedule in the fall of 2019. When a school closes that have sports? It disrupts other schools athletics when another school closes.
They are closing this spring. It's Feb. You have 7 month plus to find another football game.

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Green Mountain College has Cross Country (m/w), Soccer (m/w), Basketball (m/w), and Volleyball (w). That's it. In this case, the closing has no effect whatsoever on Cross Country and those other games are probably already replaced.
Armageddon averted?

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Don’t speak too soon
There is literally nothing to see here

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(03-05-2019 11:08 PM)panama Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 08:27 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(03-05-2019 07:05 PM)panama Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 07:12 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(03-04-2019 06:18 PM)panama Wrote:  They are closing this spring. It's Feb. You have 7 month plus to find another football game.

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Green Mountain College has Cross Country (m/w), Soccer (m/w), Basketball (m/w), and Volleyball (w). That's it. In this case, the closing has no effect whatsoever on Cross Country and those other games are probably already replaced.
Armageddon averted?

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Don’t speak too soon
There is literally nothing to see here

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After the Armageddon there sure won’t be
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D2 Wheeling Jesuit In Financial Problems


The could close as one of the options. This would effect other schools in West Virginia for sports.
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St. Joseph's College Vermont To Close

3 Vermont colleges closed this year.

Green Mountain NAIA
Southern Vermont D3
College of St. Joseph's NAIA
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D3 Newbury College Closes

Atlantic Union College To Close

AUC dropped sports.

Goddard College is struggling. Could cut sports.
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D3 College of New Rochelle Closing

D3 College of New Rochelle will close at the end of summer.

Brightwood College and Argosy are for profit schools that are closing.

Iowa Wesleyan on the verge of closing

Nyack College closes Rockland campus.

Fountain College closing

Bethune-Cookman is in crisis
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(05-23-2018 08:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  With a number of colleges and universities shutting down in a mass numbers in recent years from Lon Morris in the NJCAA to Saint Joseph's Indiana in D2, we could see more schools in trouble.

Private Colleges Fail, In Debt

This article came out last year. 177 private colleges which 112 are not for profit are in danger. Several on the list already closed down like Dowling, Mount Ida, Saint Gregory's, Bacone and others. If a school have a 1.5 or below are failing. bacone had a 1.7 rating, but still closing. Here are some schools that could be the next ones to close which some do play D1 sports.

Adrian College 1.2
Alderson Broaddus 0.4
Alliant International -0.4 was a former NCAA D1 under another name.
Arkansas Baptist 0.3 HBCU junior College
Azusa Pacific 1.5
Belmont Abbey 1.6 on the edge
Bethany Kansas 0.6 NAIA
Bethel Indiana 0.7 NAIA
Bethel Kansas 0.6 NAIA
Bethel Tennessee 1.4
Caldwell 1.5
Carson-Newman 1.4
Chestnut Hill 1.7
Columbia College, SC 1.4
Ecclesia 1.3 NAIa
Emmanuel -0.9 D2 could be the next to close.
Finlandia 1.1
Green Mountain 1
Hannibal-La Grange 1.4
Hillsdale free Will Baptist in Moore, Oklahoma 0.8
Hiram 1.1
Howard
Huntington Indiana 1.7
Iowa Wesleyan 0.6
Kansas Christian 1.2
Kentucky Wesleyan 1.3
Keystone College 0.4
Lake Erie 1.3
MidAmerica Nazarene 1.3
Morthland 1.7 in a holding pattern to reformed the school.
Multumuh 0.8
Newberry 1.8
Notre Dame, Ohio 1.6
Ohio Valley -1
Ottawa Kansas 1
Paine 1.7
Pine Manor 1.2
Quincy 1.8
Rochester, Mich. -0.1
St. Joseph's, NY 1.9
Saint Martin's 1.6
Saint Xavier 1.7
Salem International 1.5
Selma 1.9
Shorter 1.3
Sierra Nevada 1.8
Southern Vermont 1.1
Spring Hill 1.4
Sterling 1.9
Thomas More 1.6
U. of Mobile 1.2
Westminster, MO. 1.1
Wheeling Jesuit U.1.5
Wilberforce 1.3

All this are private schools. This does not show how bad the public school's debts are. 3 is perfect record that a lot of d1 and D2 schools have. between 1.5 to 2.0 is on the border of failure. Below 1.5 gets a school a fail grade. A lot of schools that closed in recent years have a fail grade below 1.5 except for Bacone who had a 1.7. People who are saying Howard going to the Big South may have to rethink that they might have to go down to D2 or something. Usually a school's debt decides where a school moves to like Thomas More dropping back down to NAIA. There are chatter that Kentucky Wesleyan would be moving back down to NAIA. So far, only Howard at the D1 level seems to be borderline of moving towards rock bottom. This could be also the next big realignment talks that have to do with the small private schools who have major debt. I think Presbyterian should be on the watch list as well. They are the smallest in D1. Bacone had a similar size enrollment as Presbyterian,


Too get back to this thread. This is more of a failing report card. 12 schools on this list closed down since I started this thread. 7 closed down in the past 3 months.
Some of the schools that closed were up around 2.5. This report was the 2014/2015, but it got worst for many of them which is why the closers. Lets take a look at the failed schools that are 2.5 or worst.

Samford 2.2
Academy of Art in San Francisco for profit D2 school that are a likely target for the WAC. 1.9 They are not in position to move anytime soon.
Azusa Pacific 1.5 They don't have the money to move up to the WAC.
Fresno Pacific 2.0 Another WAC target do not have the money.
Loyola Marymount 2.5 Only WCC school in bad shape.
Howard U. 1.9
Bethune-Cookman 2.5 Sounds like they are getting worst.
Florida Tech 2.0 Likely A-Sun target with football in Big South.
Jacksonville 2.5
Stetson 2.5
BYU-Hawaii 2.2 The only BYU school in trouble which is why the sports were dropped.
Chaminade 2.2
Hawaii Pacific 2.2
College of Idaho 2.2
Bradley 2.2
U. of Chicago 2.3 Former Big 10 school struggling.
Evansville 2.2
Valparaiso 2.4
Centenary, LA. 2.2
Drury 2.3
Saint Louis 2.5
Saint Peters 1.6 Could be the 1sr causulty in D1 to close.
Seton Hall is at 2.6 and could go down.
Cornell 2.5
Siena 2.4
St Francis, NY 2.2
Xavier, Ohio 2.2
Oklahoma Baptist 2.5
Tulsa 2.5
Bucknell 2.4
Duquense 2.5
Lafayette 2.5
Temple on the edge at 2.6. Yeah, the site listed them as private.
Brown 2.5
Presbyterian 2.4
Wofford 2.4
Augustana 2.5 School wants to go D1. Sewanee 2.2
Rice 2.5
Saint Martin's for the ones saying they should be invited to the WAC. 1.6 which puts them in the closer range.

Some D2 schools of note that may have the funds to move up.

Bellarmine 3.0
Biola 3.0
Cedarville 3.0
Clark Atlanta 3.0
Colorado Christian 3.0
Dallas Baptist 3.0
Flagler 3.0
Florida Southern 3.0
Gannon 3.0
Goldy Beacon 3.0
Harding U. 3.0
Le Moyne 3.0
Lindenwood 3.0
Lubbock Christian 3.0
Mercy 3.0
NW Nazarene 3.0
Nova Southeastern 3.0
Saint Leo 3.0
Seattle Pacific 3.0
Southern Nazarene 3.0
Southern New Hampshire
Tiffin 3.0
New Haven 3.0
Tampa 3.0
Walsh 3.0 while Malone is failing.
Wilmington,Delaware 3.0
Bentley 2.9
Lane 2.9
Lenoir-Rhyne 2.9
Lewis 2.9
Lincoln Memorial 2.9
Livingstone 2.9
LIU-Post 2.9
Trevecca Nazarene 2.9
Assumption 2.8
Lemoyne-Owen 2.8
Bridgeport 2.8
U. of Charleston 2.8
Findlay 2.8
Christian Brothers 2.7
Limestone 2.7
St. Edwards 2.7
Davenport 2.6
Franklin & Marshall 2.6
Mount Olive 2.6
Regis 2.6
Union Tenn. 2.6
West Virginia Wesleyan 2.6 (my late uncle taught classes there.)
The private colleges and universities that moved up came from around the 2.8 in recent years like Grand Canyon, Merrimack, California Baptist, Houston Baptist, Seattle U.. The higher your report card? You have the finances to do things like upgrading upwards to be noticed.
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A two year old article? LMAO
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The article you linked has this to say about the numbers:

Quote:”The department considers an institution’s debt and assets, among other factors, in giving it a score ranging from -1 to 3. Scores lower than 1.5 are considered failing. The department’s methodology in devising the scores has drawn sharp criticism in the past from some higher-education groups.”

I’m not sure why you felt it incumbent upon yourself to change the metric for failure from 1.5 or less to to 2.5 or less two posts up. As such you list Rice as a failing school. Not only are they not failing (by definition from the article you used as your basis), but do you realize they have a 6.3 Billion dollar endowment?
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The thread started in May 2018 based on a Mar 2017 article using data from 2014-15; how much has changed in 5 years? One of those "failing" schools that "could" close has now opened a second campus.
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(03-30-2019 08:38 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  The article you linked has this to say about the numbers:

Quote:”The department considers an institution’s debt and assets, among other factors, in giving it a score ranging from -1 to 3. Scores lower than 1.5 are considered failing. The department’s methodology in devising the scores has drawn sharp criticism in the past from some higher-education groups.”

I’m not sure why you felt it incumbent upon yourself to change the metric for failure from 1.5 or less to to 2.5 or less two posts up. As such you list Rice as a failing school. Not only are they not failing (by definition from the article you used as your basis), but do you realize they have a 6.3 Billion dollar endowment?


The Memphis school that was listed at 2.8 on there, closed their doors last year. Mount Ida was listed at 2.5. As it is, the 7 that closed down this year ranged between 1.5 to 2.5.

Here is an article from last August on the issues about New England schools failing in debt.

Small New England Colleges Struggles With Debt

Would Half of The Colleges Closed?

Small Colleges Debt Issues in Mass,.
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NCCAA Hiwassee Colege Will Shut Down

Another school with sports.
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