Wheatshock
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RE: Ranking the best jobs in the AAC
(03-13-2018 06:17 AM)TripleA Wrote: (03-12-2018 11:02 PM)Wheatshock Wrote: (03-12-2018 10:30 PM)TripleA Wrote: (03-12-2018 09:27 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: (03-12-2018 09:21 PM)TripleA Wrote: If we are talking right this minute, and not the program over some period in history, I would say:
1. Cincy. Cronin has the program in great shape. If he retired or took Calipari's job (lol), whoever walked in next would have a gem of a program. Not sure about facilities, but I know the renovated arena will reopen nest season.
2. Memphis. Brand new on campus state of the art basketball facility. Great NBA arena on Beale Street. Pays what the market will bear, or more. Great history and tradition. Lots of coaches have had successful runs here. Crazy but passionate fan base. You win big, and you are a legend, playing before huge packed houses.
3. UConn. Best recent history in the AAC, with those 4 Nattys. But that makes the bar high, and only one coach has been successful so far. Highest revenue in league, but not sure how sustainable that is. Not the easiest place to get to.
4. Temple. Great tradition. Great city. Great recruiting area. Always a threat to be really good.
5. Wichita State. Great job right now. But just moved up from MVC, and much of team doesn't return. If Marshall left for Louisville (lol), you could get a good replacement, but Marshall is your only successful coach, and it took him a long time. Not a super location for attracting recruits or coaches.
6. SMU. Up and coming, Brown did well, but maybe set it back a bit with penalties. But fan base is now into it.
7. UCF. Another up and coming program. Nice place to live and recruit. Program on the rise. But fan support needs work.
8. Houston. Great tradition a long time ago. Then a long dry spell. Finally coming back. Great city. Arena renovated. Attendance not much.
9. Tulsa. I know this will irritate Tulsa fans, but you guys need to renovate that gazebo. And Frank Haith is irritating, too. lol
10. Tulane. They don't irritate anybody.
11. ECU. They only irritate Memphis these days.
12. USF. See ECU.
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Too tired to correct. Just gonna laugh.
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Try using facts to back up your smack.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch...ita-state/
Show me all the brilliantly successful coaches on that list. By successful, I mean to Gregg Marshall standards, and to the measurement you claim is important: Post-season play ("when the REAL Wichita season starts")
Turgeon? 128-90 in 7 seasons. One NCAAT, S16. 3 NITs. 2-3 record.
Smithson? 55-62 in 4 seasons. No NCAAT. No NIT.
S. Thompson? 40-70 in 4 seasons. No NCAAT. No NIT.
Cohen? 32-56 in 3 seasons. No NCAAT. No NIT.
Fogler? 61-32 with 2 NCAATs in 3 seasons, but lost both 1st round games. 0-2 NCAAT. One NIT. 1-1.
Smithson? 155-81 in 8 seasons. Only 2 NCAAT appearances in 8 years, one was a loss in 1st round. Other was E8. 3-2 overall NCAAT. Two NITs. 0-2.
H. Miller? 97-90 in 7 seasons. One NCAAT. Lost in 1st round. No NIT.
G. Thompson? 93-94 in 7 seasons. One NCAAT. Lost in F4 semis. First season. Downhill from there. One NIT. 0-1.
R. Miller? 220-133 in 13 seasons. One NCAAT. E8 in last season. 3 NITs. 0-3.
That takes us back to 1951. Nothing special past that, either. NCAAT really wasn't much any farther back, anyway.
Now, compare all those guys to Marshall:
Marshall? 286-97 in 11 seasons. 7 straight NCAATs. One S16. One F4. This year TBD with a 4 seed. Two NITs. 5-1 record. Won NITC in 2011.
Okay, Mr CB. Which one of these coaches above is not like all the rest?
WSU NIT history = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_St...IT_results
I think of Ralph Miller, Gene Smithson, and Mark Turgeon as successful coaches at WSU. None had the level of success that Marshall has had but coaches that can claim his level of success are hard to come by.
Miller basically built the program and is the foundation for all of our later successes. He was the one that got Koch Arena built and launched himself on a hall of fame career at WSU. Hard not to call what he did a success. One thing to take into consideration is that the tournament was a lot smaller then and harder to get into than today so only making it once isn't the black mark it would be today, Miller actually had a 27-4 team that was ranked in the top 20 much of the year that didn't get a bid. makes me glad that the tournament has expanded.
Smithson rebuilt the program after a couple of less than successful coaches. He took us to the tournament twice including an elite eight trip and had two other NCAA caliber teams that didn't get a chance to participate due to sanctions caused by the previous coaching staff.
After a few unsuccessful coaches Turgeon built the program back up from rock bottom and took us to our 1st tournament in almost two decades. He left shortly after that for a P5 job so we never got a chance to find out if he could have sustained it or not.
After that we hit the jackpot in Gregg Marshall.
I'll buy all that, but as you now see, that's not what I was talking about. Marshall is your only successful coach in having a superior win percentage (I didn't calculate it but it's obvious the difference), and frequent trips to the post season, where you yourself said yesterday that's the only thing that really counts. Maybe I could have made that a bit more clear, but the contrast is quite sharp.
Ask any non-Wichita non-MVC fan for any past coaches there. The great majority, including me, can't name anybody but Marshall. We don't know all that inside stuff about sanctions and somebody left before whatever.
I had the impression nobody had Marshall's success, so I looked it up and saw a few others had good winning percentages, but not like Marshall, and scant few postseason trips, to the point it was a stark contrast.
P.S. You're a better poster when you drop the troll act. Who knew? lol
Please don't confuse me with Cold. lol
I know that your 2nd post was directed at CB but I felt the need to respond as I felt you were setting the bar artificially high by calling Marshall our only successful coach. My point is that if what Marshall has done is the bar for success then there are very few programs around the country that can be thought of as successful.
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