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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(Today 11:40 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(Today 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(Today 11:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Two Words:
Constitutional Amendment.

Does the Interstate Compact get around that?

It does. If the Compact goes into effect we can expect challenges, but governors and lawmakers in a number of states have already looked into this (many lawyers exist in those ranks!) and they like the odds.

I can see this playing out as the Compact taking effect first. Then, after a few election cycles with popular vote campaigning, no one wants to go back. A constitutional amendment becomes easy to pass, and that seals the deal.

This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

Quote:AI Overview

Changing the U.S. Constitution requires a two-step process of proposal and ratification as outlined in Article V.

Step 1: Proposal (Getting the amendment started)

An amendment can be proposed through one of two methods:

• By Congress: A two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. (This is the method used for all 27 existing amendments).
• By a Constitutional Convention: Two-thirds of the state legislatures (34 out of 50 states) ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used).

Step 2: Ratification (Approve the change)

Once proposed, the amendment must be approved by the states using one of two methods chosen by Congress:

• State Legislatures: Three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it.
• State Conventions: Ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it (this method was used only once, for the 21st Amendment).

Key Rules

• No President Needed: A proposed amendment from Congress does not go to the president and does not require a presidential signature.
• Senate Equal Suffrage: No state can be deprived of its equal suffrage (two votes) in the Senate without its consent.
• Archivist Certification: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) manages the official tracking and proclamation once the 38th state ratifies.

You can read the exact rules directly at the National Constitution Center or study past changes via Congress.gov.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(Today 11:40 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(Today 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(Today 11:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Two Words:
Constitutional Amendment.

Does the Interstate Compact get around that?

It does. If the Compact goes into effect we can expect challenges, but governors and lawmakers in a number of states have already looked into this (many lawyers exist in those ranks!) and they like the odds.

I can see this playing out as the Compact taking effect first. Then, after a few election cycles with popular vote campaigning, no one wants to go back. A constitutional amendment becomes easy to pass, and that seals the deal.

This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

Quote:AI Overview

Changing the U.S. Constitution requires a two-step process of proposal and ratification as outlined in Article V.

Step 1: Proposal (Getting the amendment started)

An amendment can be proposed through one of two methods:

• By Congress: A two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. (This is the method used for all 27 existing amendments).
• By a Constitutional Convention: Two-thirds of the state legislatures (34 out of 50 states) ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used).

Step 2: Ratification (Approve the change)

Once proposed, the amendment must be approved by the states using one of two methods chosen by Congress:

• State Legislatures: Three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it.
• State Conventions: Ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it (this method was used only once, for the 21st Amendment).

Key Rules

• No President Needed: A proposed amendment from Congress does not go to the president and does not require a presidential signature.
• Senate Equal Suffrage: No state can be deprived of its equal suffrage (two votes) in the Senate without its consent.
• Archivist Certification: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) manages the official tracking and proclamation once the 38th state ratifies.

You can read the exact rules directly at the National Constitution Center or study past changes via Congress.gov.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.

There is still an electoral college.

Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.

The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.


Yes. Thank you for the succinct clarification.
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Veto
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(Today 12:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Veto

Aw, it’s cute you think Trump can veto state laws.
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(Today 11:20 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(Today 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(Today 11:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Two Words:
Constitutional Amendment.

Does the Interstate Compact get around that?

It shouldn't. I mean the only way for it to stick is a Constitutional amendment, from what I understand.

Mr. Veto will probably have some say in this if it does need a constitutional change.
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(Today 12:42 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 12:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Veto

Aw, it’s cute you think Trump can veto state laws.

Not 100% sure that a state can overrule in a Federal/national Election.... I do not know for sure, but common sense seems like that would be the way? Then again, our Government and Common Sense rarely play in the same sandbox.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 12:46 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(Today 11:20 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(Today 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(Today 11:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Two Words:
Constitutional Amendment.

Does the Interstate Compact get around that?

It shouldn't. I mean the only way for it to stick is a Constitutional amendment, from what I understand.

Mr. Veto will probably have some say in this if it does need a constitutional change.

See process, shared above.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(Today 11:40 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(Today 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  
(Today 11:07 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Two Words:
Constitutional Amendment.

Does the Interstate Compact get around that?

It does. If the Compact goes into effect we can expect challenges, but governors and lawmakers in a number of states have already looked into this (many lawyers exist in those ranks!) and they like the odds.

I can see this playing out as the Compact taking effect first. Then, after a few election cycles with popular vote campaigning, no one wants to go back. A constitutional amendment becomes easy to pass, and that seals the deal.

This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

Quote:AI Overview

Changing the U.S. Constitution requires a two-step process of proposal and ratification as outlined in Article V.

Step 1: Proposal (Getting the amendment started)

An amendment can be proposed through one of two methods:

• By Congress: A two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. (This is the method used for all 27 existing amendments).
• By a Constitutional Convention: Two-thirds of the state legislatures (34 out of 50 states) ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used).

Step 2: Ratification (Approve the change)

Once proposed, the amendment must be approved by the states using one of two methods chosen by Congress:

• State Legislatures: Three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it.
• State Conventions: Ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it (this method was used only once, for the 21st Amendment).

Key Rules

• No President Needed: A proposed amendment from Congress does not go to the president and does not require a presidential signature.
• Senate Equal Suffrage: No state can be deprived of its equal suffrage (two votes) in the Senate without its consent.
• Archivist Certification: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) manages the official tracking and proclamation once the 38th state ratifies.

You can read the exact rules directly at the National Constitution Center or study past changes via Congress.gov.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
You need to stay off Social Media for your Civics lessons. Those of us that are older took Civics in the 6th grade and we know how the Constitution is Amended. This proves even so called "educated" people know nothing and will be Useful Idiots for the Left. The Democrat party has figured this out. But they will keep saying it and the Idiots will keep holding out hope.
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Democrat governors have vetoed it when tried to pass. Reps in swing districts in their states won’t touch it.

Keep dreaming.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 12:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(Today 11:40 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(Today 11:16 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Does the Interstate Compact get around that?

It does. If the Compact goes into effect we can expect challenges, but governors and lawmakers in a number of states have already looked into this (many lawyers exist in those ranks!) and they like the odds.

I can see this playing out as the Compact taking effect first. Then, after a few election cycles with popular vote campaigning, no one wants to go back. A constitutional amendment becomes easy to pass, and that seals the deal.

This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

Quote:AI Overview

Changing the U.S. Constitution requires a two-step process of proposal and ratification as outlined in Article V.

Step 1: Proposal (Getting the amendment started)

An amendment can be proposed through one of two methods:

• By Congress: A two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. (This is the method used for all 27 existing amendments).
• By a Constitutional Convention: Two-thirds of the state legislatures (34 out of 50 states) ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used).

Step 2: Ratification (Approve the change)

Once proposed, the amendment must be approved by the states using one of two methods chosen by Congress:

• State Legislatures: Three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it.
• State Conventions: Ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it (this method was used only once, for the 21st Amendment).

Key Rules

• No President Needed: A proposed amendment from Congress does not go to the president and does not require a presidential signature.
• Senate Equal Suffrage: No state can be deprived of its equal suffrage (two votes) in the Senate without its consent.
• Archivist Certification: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) manages the official tracking and proclamation once the 38th state ratifies.

You can read the exact rules directly at the National Constitution Center or study past changes via Congress.gov.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
You need to stay off Social Media for your Civics lessons. Those of us that are older took Civics in the 6th grade and we know how the Constitution is Amended. This proves even so called "educated" people know nothing and will be Useful Idiots for the Left. The Democrat party has figured this out. But they will keep saying it and the Idiots will keep holding out hope.

You need to take another civics class if you think it takes a constitutional amendment for a state to decide how to cast their electors. Or use a simple google search to see what the popular vote compact is before running your mouth. Ignorance is a choice you seem to be making.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

The popular vote compact is state legislatures deciding to cast their electors for the popular vote winner. Exactly as the constitution gives them the power.
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Pretty sure there is a thousand page thread on this from the last time a state passed a law for it. The way it is written, I don't think it would be unconstitutional. The Constitution says states are in charge of their elections. States would still send their electoral delegates, but instead of selecting them based on results in their own state, they would select them based on who won the popular vote.

If they ever got enough states on board, it would be on the expressway to SCOTUS.
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(Today 01:02 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Democrat governors have vetoed it when tried to pass. Reps in swing districts in their states won’t touch it.

Keep dreaming.

Already state law in 18 states with 222 electoral votes.

This is making news because on Tuesday the democrats took governor and legislature of enough states that if state laws are passed there they can kick it over 270 votes and put it into operation.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 01:04 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 12:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(Today 11:40 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  It does. If the Compact goes into effect we can expect challenges, but governors and lawmakers in a number of states have already looked into this (many lawyers exist in those ranks!) and they like the odds.

I can see this playing out as the Compact taking effect first. Then, after a few election cycles with popular vote campaigning, no one wants to go back. A constitutional amendment becomes easy to pass, and that seals the deal.

This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

Quote:AI Overview

Changing the U.S. Constitution requires a two-step process of proposal and ratification as outlined in Article V.

Step 1: Proposal (Getting the amendment started)

An amendment can be proposed through one of two methods:

• By Congress: A two-thirds supermajority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. (This is the method used for all 27 existing amendments).
• By a Constitutional Convention: Two-thirds of the state legislatures (34 out of 50 states) ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used).

Step 2: Ratification (Approve the change)

Once proposed, the amendment must be approved by the states using one of two methods chosen by Congress:

• State Legislatures: Three-fourths of the state legislatures (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it.
• State Conventions: Ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states (38 out of 50 states) vote to approve it (this method was used only once, for the 21st Amendment).

Key Rules

• No President Needed: A proposed amendment from Congress does not go to the president and does not require a presidential signature.
• Senate Equal Suffrage: No state can be deprived of its equal suffrage (two votes) in the Senate without its consent.
• Archivist Certification: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) manages the official tracking and proclamation once the 38th state ratifies.

You can read the exact rules directly at the National Constitution Center or study past changes via Congress.gov.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
You need to stay off Social Media for your Civics lessons. Those of us that are older took Civics in the 6th grade and we know how the Constitution is Amended. This proves even so called "educated" people know nothing and will be Useful Idiots for the Left. The Democrat party has figured this out. But they will keep saying it and the Idiots will keep holding out hope.

You need to take another civics class if you think it takes a constitutional amendment for a state to decide how to cast their electors. Or use a simple google search to see what the popular vote compact is before running your mouth. Ignorance is a choice you seem to be making.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

The popular vote compact is state legislatures deciding to cast their electors for the popular vote winner. Exactly as the constitution gives them the power.
You might want to talk to Elana Kagan who penned the SCOTUS unanimous Decision regarding this. Google is not your friend.
Chiafalo v. Washington
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 01:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 01:04 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 12:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
You need to stay off Social Media for your Civics lessons. Those of us that are older took Civics in the 6th grade and we know how the Constitution is Amended. This proves even so called "educated" people know nothing and will be Useful Idiots for the Left. The Democrat party has figured this out. But they will keep saying it and the Idiots will keep holding out hope.

You need to take another civics class if you think it takes a constitutional amendment for a state to decide how to cast their electors. Or use a simple google search to see what the popular vote compact is before running your mouth. Ignorance is a choice you seem to be making.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

The popular vote compact is state legislatures deciding to cast their electors for the popular vote winner. Exactly as the constitution gives them the power.
You might want to talk to Elana Kagan who penned the SCOTUS unanimous Decision regarding this. Google is not your friend.
Chiafalo v. Washington

The reason I think it would pass is in Kegan's opinion

Quote:Nothing in the Constitution expressly prohibits States from taking
away presidential electors’ voting discretion as Washington does. Ar
ticle II includes only the instruction to each State to appoint electors,
and the Twelfth Amendment only sets out the electors’ voting proce
dures. And while two contemporaneous State Constitutions incorpo
rated language calling for the exercise of elector discretion, no lan
guage of that kind made it into the Federal Constitution.

If the state law is that states electoral votes go to the popular vote winner, nothing in the Constitution would prohibit it.

But, none of us are Constitutional scholars. This would be decided by SCOTUS if it ever goes into effect.
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(Today 11:04 AM)No Bull Wrote:  https://www.motherjones.com/politics/202...e-compact/

Tuesday’s wave election swept Democrats into power in Congress. But the most seismic result for American politics and democracy may come out of the battleground states where Democrats just won trifecta control by taking both state houses and the governor’s mansion: Come January, Democratic legislators will have the votes to elect the next president by the popular vote.

State lawmakers could circumvent the Electoral College by enacting what’s known as the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

No--they dont have enough votes. For one thing, that compact violates the Constitution and undermines the voting rights of individual Americans by not only ignoring their votes---it actually CHANGES the votes that were cast. A lawsuit seeking an injunction against it would simply use the same theory that works in civil rights voting cases---unequal representation---and the whole thing would be on ice for years. By the time the courts sorted it out----state legislatures in reliable red states will have already flipped back to Republican and the gambit would be over. I think the Trump DOJ could probably make a federal case against officials from the states involved in the conspiracy under election tampering laws as well.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 01:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 01:04 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 12:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 11:54 AM)TripleA Wrote:  This is what a quick search brings. If true, it's never going to happen, IMO.

The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
You need to stay off Social Media for your Civics lessons. Those of us that are older took Civics in the 6th grade and we know how the Constitution is Amended. This proves even so called "educated" people know nothing and will be Useful Idiots for the Left. The Democrat party has figured this out. But they will keep saying it and the Idiots will keep holding out hope.

You need to take another civics class if you think it takes a constitutional amendment for a state to decide how to cast their electors. Or use a simple google search to see what the popular vote compact is before running your mouth. Ignorance is a choice you seem to be making.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

The popular vote compact is state legislatures deciding to cast their electors for the popular vote winner. Exactly as the constitution gives them the power.
You might want to talk to Elana Kagan who penned the SCOTUS unanimous Decision regarding this. Google is not your friend.
Chiafalo v. Washington

You really woke up today and chose ignorance.

The popular vote compact hasn’t been challenged in court because it hasn’t been used. That ruling is on censuring states electors for becoming faithless electors.

Electors in NPV compact wouldn’t be faithless, they would be casting votes for the candidate their state legislature sent them there to support. When the NPV is challenged in court that case will actually be used to support it because of the strong stance it takes for the state legislature to bind EC electors.

You are going to want to go back to the drawing board and figure out what the NPV Compact is, and perhaps take that civics class again and see what the constitution says about presidential elections.
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RE: Dems have enough votes to do away with Electoral College
(Today 01:20 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(Today 01:17 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 01:04 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(Today 12:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(Today 12:25 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The popular vote compact doesn’t require an amendment.


There is still an electoral college.


Enough of the states decide to cast their electoral college votes for the popular vote winner, then the popular vote decides the presidency.


The constitution says each state shall decide their electors, this is them deciding.
You need to stay off Social Media for your Civics lessons. Those of us that are older took Civics in the 6th grade and we know how the Constitution is Amended. This proves even so called "educated" people know nothing and will be Useful Idiots for the Left. The Democrat party has figured this out. But they will keep saying it and the Idiots will keep holding out hope.

You need to take another civics class if you think it takes a constitutional amendment for a state to decide how to cast their electors. Or use a simple google search to see what the popular vote compact is before running your mouth. Ignorance is a choice you seem to be making.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”

The popular vote compact is state legislatures deciding to cast their electors for the popular vote winner. Exactly as the constitution gives them the power.
You might want to talk to Elana Kagan who penned the SCOTUS unanimous Decision regarding this. Google is not your friend.
Chiafalo v. Washington

The reason I think it would pass is in Kegan's opinion

Quote:Nothing in the Constitution expressly prohibits States from taking
away presidential electors’ voting discretion as Washington does. Ar
ticle II includes only the instruction to each State to appoint electors,
and the Twelfth Amendment only sets out the electors’ voting proce
dures. And while two contemporaneous State Constitutions incorpo
rated language calling for the exercise of elector discretion, no lan
guage of that kind made it into the Federal Constitution.

If the state law is that states electoral votes go to the popular vote winner, nothing in the Constitution would prohibit it.

But, none of us are Constitutional scholars. This would be decided by SCOTUS if it ever goes into effect.
Well, if that's the case the "electors" could choose someone that didn't even run making state elections pointless. If "electors" don't have to vote for the person that won the majority of THAT STATE'S ballots, then why do they do it?
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(Today 11:04 AM)No Bull Wrote:  https://www.motherjones.com/politics/202...e-compact/

Tuesday’s wave election swept Democrats into power in Congress. But the most seismic result for American politics and democracy may come out of the battleground states where Democrats just won trifecta control by taking both state houses and the governor’s mansion: Come January, Democratic legislators will have the votes to elect the next president by the popular vote.

State lawmakers could circumvent the Electoral College by enacting what’s known as the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

No--they dont have enough votes. For one thing, that compact violates the Constitution and undermines the voting rights of individual Americans by not only ignoring their votes---it actually CHANGES the votes that were cast. A lawsuit seeking an injunction against it would simply use the same theory that works in civil rights voting cases---unequal representation---and the whole thing would be on ice for years. By the time the courts sorted it out----state legislatures in reliable red states will have already flipped back to Republican and the gambit would be over. I think the Trump DOJ could probably make a federal case against officials from the states involved in the conspiracy under election tampering laws as well.

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress”
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Quote:Democrats didn’t just pick up a few statehouses following Tuesday's midterm elections — they may have just won the power to sideline the Electoral College by 2028. If they follow through, the next president could be chosen by a nationwide popular vote instead of the system the Constitution very clearly laid out.

Remember when we talked about Elon Musk warning that the 2026 elections could lead to a cataclysmic chain of events that leads to permanent one-party rule down the line? Yeah, this is the kind of thing we were referring to.

Axios is reporting that “sweeping statehouse gains” have “opened a path to effectively replacing the Electoral College with a national popular vote in time for the 2028 presidential election."



I'll give you the CliffsNotes version of how this works:

Democrats now control the governor's office and both legislative chambers in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada. Already terrifying, right? If those five states sign on to a deal already on the books in 18 states and Washington, D.C., they would send their electoral votes to whoever wins the nationwide popular vote — even if their own voters chose someone else.

That deal, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, already covers 222 electoral votes. Axios notes that it “only kicks in when participating states collectively control at least 270 electoral votes,” and that these five new Democratic trifectas “could bring the total to 283.”

In other words, they wouldn’t need a constitutional amendment, or a single red state, to change how America picks a president.

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, as my colleague Teri Christoph has written, "should make every voter's blood boil."

"Once enough left-leaning states sign on, the mechanism is in place. At that point, voters in blue states may wake up one day and discover that the election outcome in their own state no longer determines where their electoral votes go," Christoph explained. "And that is a breathtaking betrayal of the voters."

This isn't a matter of if; it's now a matter of when. Democrats don't like any constitutional concept that checks power. They don't like rules. And if the rules prevent them from stealing power (Hillary comes to mind in 2016), then they change them. They're not feckless like the Republican majority that simply refused to nuke the filibuster and push legislation a vast majority of Americans wanted to see in the SAVE America Act.

Incidentally, y'all might as well kiss the filibuster goodbye while you're at it. It'll take weeks, tops, for them to drop that power check for the minority party.

None of this should be shocking. The Democrats have been very open about wanting to drop the Electoral College. Former presidential candidate Kamala Harris pointed to its abolition as part of her party's wish list just a few weeks ago.



As a New Yorker, I can't stress how bad this could be.

The Empire State is a microcosm of the necessity of the Electoral College. All of NY is controlled by small left-wing swamps when it comes to elections. Former gubernatorial candidate Lee Zeldin, for example, lost to Hochul in 2022 despite winning 49 of New York's 62 counties.

Even with Bruce Blakeman getting embarrassingly slaughtered by Hochul on Tuesday, he still managed to paint most of the New York map red.



Now extrapolate that to a map of the United States. A vast majority of red America, beholden to liberal cesspools like New York and California.

Axios says the midterm results “could give Democrats the legislative power to fundamentally change how America picks its president, potentially ending the possibility of winning the White House while losing the national popular vote.”

The five states would still have to pass it, and the outlet claims “it’s not clear if it will be a priority,” but lawmakers in all five have already introduced bills to join.

I'll just address that right now. It'll be a priority. Only a matter of time. There's little doubt this workaround would go live just in time for 2028.

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The Left is Already Claiming That Democrats Have Enough Control to Get Rid of the Electoral College


Quote:With the Democrat sweep of the House and Senate on Tuesday, leftists are already claiming that Democrats will have enough control to end the Electoral College, one of their long term goals for years.

They would love nothing more than for New York City and Los Angeles, both of which are now controlled by the DSA, to choose the president for the rest of the entire country.

And by the way, it’s not just fringe activists who are saying this. Look at this tweet from Axios:



Larry O’Connor writes at Townhall:

The Electoral College Is Just 48 Votes Away From Becoming Irrelevant

There’s something called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. It has been quietly working its way through state legislatures since 2006.

Here’s the scheme.

Under the Constitution, states have the authority to determine how they appoint their presidential electors. Nearly every state currently awards its electoral votes to the candidate who wins that state’s popular vote.

The compact would change that.

States joining the agreement promise to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote, regardless of which candidate wins their own state.

Think about what that means.

Imagine that Pennsylvania votes for the Republican presidential nominee in 2028. Not by a few hundred votes, but by a decisive margin.

Pennsylvania voters have spoken. They want the Republican.

But if Pennsylvania joins this compact and the Democrat wins the national popular vote, Pennsylvania’s 19 electoral votes would go to the Democrat.


The left wants this. Watch the exchange below:


"The Electoral College may have died yesterday."

Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov celebrate the idea of ending the Electoral College deciding the US president.

Galloway: "The National Popular Vote Compact basically does away with the Electoral College."

"Democracy has been perverted to a small number of states."

"Last night, the three Republican states that went all blue in terms of their legislature and their governor needed to go over 270, elected Democrats across the board."

"We stop obsessing over and spending $3,000 for every soccer mom in some town in Wisconsin."

Tarlov: "it seems great. And it's also logical, which would be a good thing to be able to be logical in the way that we elect people."

Galloway and Tarlov want to "pervert" the Constitution and strip the voice of Americans in smaller states.

Democrats want to abolish the EC entirely, but this is how they try to subvert it in the meantime.

"Raging Moderates"


They haven’t even been sworn in yet.

Buckle up, folks.

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