(08-02-2022 04:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:18 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  [quote='dcg141' pid='18354641' dateline='1659451041']

Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

Yea nothing stopping the leftover schools to be in discussions. Its not like it will stop anyone from going to the B12 if they call. Looks like the ACC may be held together by their GOR.
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Is it possible? - Notre Dame and SMU to the ACC. Two private religious schools.

(08-02-2022 05:04 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:18 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  [quote='dcg141' pid='18354641' dateline='1659451041']

Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

Yea nothing stopping the leftover schools to be in discussions. Its not like it will stop anyone from going to the B12 if they call. Looks like the ACC may be held together by their GOR.
[/quote

Is it possible? - Notre Dame and SMU to the ACC. Two private religious schools.

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

(08-02-2022 06:51 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 05:04 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:18 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  [quote='dcg141' pid='18354641' dateline='1659451041']

Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

Yea nothing stopping the leftover schools to be in discussions. Its not like it will stop anyone from going to the B12 if they call. Looks like the ACC may be held together by their GOR.
[/quote

Is it possible? - Notre Dame and SMU to the ACC. Two private religious schools.

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

Notre Dame will probably stay independent since they have their own tv deal. Because tv money is what it's all about right?

Edit: And they have an invite to the BCS.

(08-02-2022 06:51 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 05:04 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 04:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 11:18 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  [quote='dcg141' pid='18354641' dateline='1659451041']

Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

Yea nothing stopping the leftover schools to be in discussions. Its not like it will stop anyone from going to the B12 if they call. Looks like the ACC may be held together by their GOR.
[/quote

Is it possible? - Notre Dame and SMU to the ACC. Two private religious schools.

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

Notre Dame will probably stay independent since they have their own tv deal. Because tv money is what it's all about right?

Edit: And they have an invite to the BCS.

(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

(08-02-2022 04:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Is it possible? - Notre Dame and SMU to the ACC. Two private religious schools.

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

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(08-03-2022 03:22 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

ESPN+

ESPN - David Hale twitter

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It's really not hard. ND has their OWN TV deal. Why would they be obligated to pay anything for football media rights if they choose to go to another conference. OH, right, they aren't.

(08-04-2022 09:40 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 03:22 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

ESPN+

ESPN - David Hale twitter

247 sports

NC State beat writer

It's really not hard. ND has their OWN TV deal. Why would they be obligated to pay anything for football media rights if they choose to go to another conference. OH, right, they aren't.

They will do what they want, but they are sort of at the mercy of the $EC and Big Ten when it comes to inclusion in the playoffs. I think where we end up is 3 super conferences of 24 teams each and a 16 team playoff. The $EC and Big Ten will get 7 spots each, and the other conference will get 2, or maybe it will be 6 each, 2 for the 3rd conference and 2 wildcards based on the rankings.

(08-04-2022 09:40 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 03:22 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

ESPN+

ESPN - David Hale twitter

247 sports

NC State beat writer

It's really not hard. ND has their OWN TV deal. Why would they be obligated to pay anything for football media rights if they choose to go to another conference. OH, right, they aren't.

They will do what they want, but they are sort of at the mercy of the $EC and Big Ten when it comes to inclusion in the playoffs. I think where we end up is 3 super conferences of 24 teams each and a 16 team playoff. The $EC and Big Ten will get 7 spots each, and the other conference will get 2, or maybe it will be 6 each, 2 for the 3rd conference and 2 wildcards based on the rankings.

(08-04-2022 11:18 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 09:40 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 03:22 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

ESPN+

ESPN - David Hale twitter

247 sports

NC State beat writer

It's really not hard. ND has their OWN TV deal. Why would they be obligated to pay anything for football media rights if they choose to go to another conference. OH, right, they aren't.

They will do what they want, but they are sort of at the mercy of the $EC and Big Ten when it comes to inclusion in the playoffs. I think where we end up is 3 super conferences of 24 teams each and a 16 team playoff. The $EC and Big Ten will get 7 spots each, and the other conference will get 2, or maybe it will be 6 each, 2 for the 3rd conference and 2 wildcards based on the rankings.

The playoff leverage is the only thing the B1G has on ND and they might use it. Otherwise, it appears ND is content to remain independent with their own tv deal, ready-made scheduling, and access to the playoffs.

(08-04-2022 11:30 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  If the B1G interest in Oregon, Wash, Cal, Stanford has cooled like some are reporting, then that is good for the PAC (capt obvious). With those programs firmly in the PAC, other schools in the western time zones are less likely to be persuaded to join the B12. The PAC's tv value post USC/UCLA will be roughly the same as the B12's post UT/OU. And the stability is probably better because the SEC and ACC will not want western time zones.

So...Could a restabilized PAC take Boise, SD State, BYU, or a couple of other B12 schools to replace USC/UCLA? Thus again exposing the B12 and forcing their hand at expansion towards us and SMU?

(08-01-2022 08:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:23 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 01:00 PM)Boots Wrote:  Aresco REALLY messed up with the additions of FAU, North Texas, Rice, Charlotte, and UTSA. He should not been that aggressive.

With the subtractions of UCF, Houston, and Cincy...the AAC was at 8 teams. They should have added UAB only to go to 9 teams and waited.

A full merger with MWC would have been best for the individual schools. It would have looked like this...

East: Memphis, Tulane, USF, Temple, East Carolina, UAB, Navy
Central: Air Force, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah St., SMU, Tulsa,
West: SDSU, San Jose St, Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno, Boise, UNLV.

That would have been a much better overall conference instead of adding to the bottom schools to AAC.

I still don't understand the schools we selected. The whole "metro" thing is flawed. I don't believe for a moment that ESPN picked them. I know they have done some boneheaded things lately but they are not that stupid. No that was the AAC's panicked idea when the MW schools said no. You would think there was one person in the room talking them off the cliff. UNCC...nooo you have to be kidding me.

Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.

Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

(08-04-2022 03:06 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Nothing about the NCAA is fair. And that ain't new.

(08-04-2022 06:51 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 08:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:23 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  I still don't understand the schools we selected. The whole "metro" thing is flawed. I don't believe for a moment that ESPN picked them. I know they have done some boneheaded things lately but they are not that stupid. No that was the AAC's panicked idea when the MW schools said no. You would think there was one person in the room talking them off the cliff. UNCC...nooo you have to be kidding me.

Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.

Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

If ESPN did indeed torpedo a AAC/MW deal should we not start to ask why? ESPN is not acting in our best interest and we need to recognize that. It's pretty obvious that its a stronger conference than taking 6 CUSA schools. In fact it weakens the AAC's position going forward. Is no one curious why they would suggest that? And if were just going to do whatever a media company tells us why do we need a commissioner?

(08-03-2022 02:54 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:56 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 08:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 05:34 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Well the BCS has been dead for sometime now. But they do have access to the playoffs.

Then there is the GOR they have with the ACC.

They have no reason to go to any conference right now. Even though in theory they could make more money doing so.

There is talk of the ACC renegotiating their TV with network if they could get ND to come on full time and allowing them to keep home TV rights.

If they could do that then the amount of money needed to do so would have WV leaving the Big XII for the ACC.

ND's GOR with the ACC does not include football. So ND's would not have much "penalty" at all for abandoning the ACC. It's a non-factor.

Yes it does.

It states that if ND decides to join a conference in football that they must join the ACC.

They are contractually obligated to the ACC until 2036 if they join a conference in football.

https://slapthesign.com/2021/07/30/notre-dame-football-stay-independent/

That article is a year old, and written by someone that no one knows. It has not withstood the scrutiny dictated by current circumstances and does not go in depth.

All of the below articles are recent and from (mostly) reputable sources. They all admit that ND has a contract that runs through 2036 that says they would "have" to join the ACC if any conference. But the buyout of that contract is 3 years of NON-FOOTBALL revenue. Non-fb revenue because the ACC does not control ND's football grant of rights. The David Hale twitter feed points out that the pre-COVID number for this non-fb revenue share was $10.8M/year. For 3 years, that's a $33M buyout - aka chump change in today's world of athletics.

ESPN+

ESPN - David Hale twitter

247 sports

NC State beat writer