(08-01-2022 07:23 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 01:00 PM)Boots Wrote:  Aresco REALLY messed up with the additions of FAU, North Texas, Rice, Charlotte, and UTSA. He should not been that aggressive.

With the subtractions of UCF, Houston, and Cincy...the AAC was at 8 teams. They should have added UAB only to go to 9 teams and waited.

A full merger with MWC would have been best for the individual schools. It would have looked like this...

East: Memphis, Tulane, USF, Temple, East Carolina, UAB, Navy
Central: Air Force, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah St., SMU, Tulsa,
West: SDSU, San Jose St, Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno, Boise, UNLV.

That would have been a much better overall conference instead of adding to the bottom schools to AAC.

I still don't understand the schools we selected. The whole "metro" thing is flawed. I don't believe for a moment that ESPN picked them. I know they have done some boneheaded things lately but they are not that stupid. No that was the AAC's panicked idea when the MW schools said no. You would think there was one person in the room talking them off the cliff. UNCC...nooo you have to be kidding me.

Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.

(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:23 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 01:00 PM)Boots Wrote:  Aresco REALLY messed up with the additions of FAU, North Texas, Rice, Charlotte, and UTSA. He should not been that aggressive.

With the subtractions of UCF, Houston, and Cincy...the AAC was at 8 teams. They should have added UAB only to go to 9 teams and waited.

A full merger with MWC would have been best for the individual schools. It would have looked like this...

East: Memphis, Tulane, USF, Temple, East Carolina, UAB, Navy
Central: Air Force, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah St., SMU, Tulsa,
West: SDSU, San Jose St, Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno, Boise, UNLV.

That would have been a much better overall conference instead of adding to the bottom schools to AAC.

I still don't understand the schools we selected. The whole "metro" thing is flawed. I don't believe for a moment that ESPN picked them. I know they have done some boneheaded things lately but they are not that stupid. No that was the AAC's panicked idea when the MW schools said no. You would think there was one person in the room talking them off the cliff. UNCC...nooo you have to be kidding me.

Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.

Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:23 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 01:00 PM)Boots Wrote:  Aresco REALLY messed up with the additions of FAU, North Texas, Rice, Charlotte, and UTSA. He should not been that aggressive.

With the subtractions of UCF, Houston, and Cincy...the AAC was at 8 teams. They should have added UAB only to go to 9 teams and waited.

A full merger with MWC would have been best for the individual schools. It would have looked like this...

East: Memphis, Tulane, USF, Temple, East Carolina, UAB, Navy
Central: Air Force, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah St., SMU, Tulsa,
West: SDSU, San Jose St, Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno, Boise, UNLV.

That would have been a much better overall conference instead of adding to the bottom schools to AAC.

I still don't understand the schools we selected. The whole "metro" thing is flawed. I don't believe for a moment that ESPN picked them. I know they have done some boneheaded things lately but they are not that stupid. No that was the AAC's panicked idea when the MW schools said no. You would think there was one person in the room talking them off the cliff. UNCC...nooo you have to be kidding me.

Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.

Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

(07-29-2022 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:40 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  lol so pay 18 million to go to another non-power conf? no.

Anything to get out of the future AAC yes. Wait out any GOR but we have to get out of where we are.

we get more TV money than the MWC, better exposure than the MWC, and it costs 18 million to leave the AAC.

if you want to play MWC teams root for a merger. JMHO

The AAC was a pretty good conference before 3 of the best 4 announced their departure. I can’t imagine we’d get a decent media deal with the current cast of characters. It’s time to think outside the box. Not sure the best move, but I can’t believe it will be with C-USA 2.

Maybe just blow up the AAC. Take SMU, and a couple of others. Tulsa? Tulane? Navy? Seriously, there isn’t much worth taking.

We were better than the MWC by a long shot, but not any more. The additions are not helpful at all.

(07-29-2022 02:01 PM)Claw Wrote:  The MW is still worse than the AAC.

No one watches those games on the east coast.

Memphis in the MW would seal the coffin on recruiting our own area.

We're better off where we are than being the outlier school that nobody cares about.

Who watched the AAC without Cinci, UCF, and Houston. We lost three of the best football programs, and two of the best basketball programs. Seriously, with the new lineup, who is watching?

(08-01-2022 09:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:40 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  lol so pay 18 million to go to another non-power conf? no.

Anything to get out of the future AAC yes. Wait out any GOR but we have to get out of where we are.

we get more TV money than the MWC, better exposure than the MWC, and it costs 18 million to leave the AAC.

if you want to play MWC teams root for a merger. JMHO

The AAC was a pretty good conference before 3 of the best 4 announced their departure. I can’t imagine we’d get a decent media deal with the current cast of characters. It’s time to think outside the box. Not sure the best move, but I can’t believe it will be with C-USA 2.

Maybe just blow up the AAC. Take SMU, and a couple of others. Tulsa? Tulane? Navy? Seriously, there isn’t much worth taking.

We were better than the MWC by a long shot, but not any more. The additions are not helpful at all.

Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

(07-31-2022 10:53 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  The new AAC still has teams in 6 of the top 20 TV markets. The MWC 1.

And no one in their markets care at all about any of these teams (except Memphis). You think South Florida is watching FAU? People in Charlotte don’t like Charlotte. Tulane? SMU? Hilarious.

TV markets that could care less about their teams don’t move the needle. Houston is an anomaly. I think they will watch more once they step up to the B12. But, in reality, they get completely overshadowed by UT and TA&M.

(08-01-2022 09:22 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:40 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  lol so pay 18 million to go to another non-power conf? no.

Anything to get out of the future AAC yes. Wait out any GOR but we have to get out of where we are.

we get more TV money than the MWC, better exposure than the MWC, and it costs 18 million to leave the AAC.

if you want to play MWC teams root for a merger. JMHO

The AAC was a pretty good conference before 3 of the best 4 announced their departure. I can’t imagine we’d get a decent media deal with the current cast of characters. It’s time to think outside the box. Not sure the best move, but I can’t believe it will be with C-USA 2.

Maybe just blow up the AAC. Take SMU, and a couple of others. Tulsa? Tulane? Navy? Seriously, there isn’t much worth taking.

We were better than the MWC by a long shot, but not any more. The additions are not helpful at all.

Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

Dude, we got gutted in the 2 main sports. Football and Basketball. Look at last years AAC standings and tell me what’s left is anywhere near what we have now.

(08-01-2022 09:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:22 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:40 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  Anything to get out of the future AAC yes. Wait out any GOR but we have to get out of where we are.

we get more TV money than the MWC, better exposure than the MWC, and it costs 18 million to leave the AAC.

if you want to play MWC teams root for a merger. JMHO

The AAC was a pretty good conference before 3 of the best 4 announced their departure. I can’t imagine we’d get a decent media deal with the current cast of characters. It’s time to think outside the box. Not sure the best move, but I can’t believe it will be with C-USA 2.

Maybe just blow up the AAC. Take SMU, and a couple of others. Tulsa? Tulane? Navy? Seriously, there isn’t much worth taking.

We were better than the MWC by a long shot, but not any more. The additions are not helpful at all.

Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

Dude, we got gutted in the 2 main sports. Football and Basketball. Look at last years AAC standings and tell me what’s left is anywhere near what we have now.

It’s not about just “tv markets”. It’s about college football “tv markets”. Rutgers got in the B1G b/c of NYC but no one watches Rutgers.

https://bhamnow.com/2021/01/07/birmingha...tive-year/

(08-01-2022 08:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:36 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 07:23 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 01:00 PM)Boots Wrote:  Aresco REALLY messed up with the additions of FAU, North Texas, Rice, Charlotte, and UTSA. He should not been that aggressive.

With the subtractions of UCF, Houston, and Cincy...the AAC was at 8 teams. They should have added UAB only to go to 9 teams and waited.

A full merger with MWC would have been best for the individual schools. It would have looked like this...

East: Memphis, Tulane, USF, Temple, East Carolina, UAB, Navy
Central: Air Force, CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah St., SMU, Tulsa,
West: SDSU, San Jose St, Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno, Boise, UNLV.

That would have been a much better overall conference instead of adding to the bottom schools to AAC.

I still don't understand the schools we selected. The whole "metro" thing is flawed. I don't believe for a moment that ESPN picked them. I know they have done some boneheaded things lately but they are not that stupid. No that was the AAC's panicked idea when the MW schools said no. You would think there was one person in the room talking them off the cliff. UNCC...nooo you have to be kidding me.

Saying ‘I don’t believe it’ doesn’t change the facts.

Then show me where that happened. Show me were they selected those schools, promised not to renegotiate the contract and made that public.

I'm not doing your research for you. my info comes from Mike Aresco radio interviews and honestly I'm cool with sitting back and watching you slowly but surely realize that information is correct. Tell us more about paying 18 million and walking away from 54 million in exit fees to play in a lesser conf.

So if that group was ESPN's hand picked replacements why did the AAC reach out to MW schools first? Did ESPN call them up and tell them..no we want UNCC. I'm curious to how all that went down, did he cover all that in the interview? Did he mention getting it writing that ESPN would not renegotiate after the conference bell cows leave? If ESPN is convinced that commuter schools that are basically step children of their parent schools are going to be athletic powerhouses then they really don't understand college football. Nothing is stopping us from talking to the MW and waiting till we collect the exit fee's and our exit fee is much smaller. But we need to leave soon after UC, Houston and UCF leave. This conference going forward is far more Sunbelt than it is P6. The money will not be there in the future.

FOOTBALL markets.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kb7hqXC-HLc

(08-01-2022 09:35 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:22 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-29-2022 01:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  we get more TV money than the MWC, better exposure than the MWC, and it costs 18 million to leave the AAC.

if you want to play MWC teams root for a merger. JMHO

The AAC was a pretty good conference before 3 of the best 4 announced their departure. I can’t imagine we’d get a decent media deal with the current cast of characters. It’s time to think outside the box. Not sure the best move, but I can’t believe it will be with C-USA 2.

Maybe just blow up the AAC. Take SMU, and a couple of others. Tulsa? Tulane? Navy? Seriously, there isn’t much worth taking.

We were better than the MWC by a long shot, but not any more. The additions are not helpful at all.

Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

Dude, we got gutted in the 2 main sports. Football and Basketball. Look at last years AAC standings and tell me what’s left is anywhere near what we have now.

It’s not about just “tv markets”. It’s about college football “tv markets”. Rutgers got in the B1G b/c of NYC but no one watches Rutgers.

https://bhamnow.com/2021/01/07/birmingha...tive-year/

But they’ll watch Michigan, OSU, etc. Who in South Florida gives a rats ass about any of our teams? We only had 4 good programs. 3 are leaving.

I’m not advocating a MWC move, but you have to believe we need to get out of the mess we’re in. The AAC has been gutted and there just aren’t any good replacements. The MWC has some teams with value. Air Force, Boise, SDSU…

(08-01-2022 12:33 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(07-31-2022 07:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You don't leave the AAC for the MWC. I would be open to a merger though. Our top 8 and their top 8. East-West divisions. Non-rev sports play mostly within division. Football rotates through the league.

But leave for the MWC? You pay an exit fee to get less tv revenue and be seen in fewer households, while abandoning your recruiting footprint. Pass.

That's not how you do it. You go to ESPN with a proposal. "If we and a few choice other teams leave the AAC and join the Mountain West, will you make it worth our while?"

Sure. ESPN says, "You want us to pay you more to be on fewer households in lesser markets and in the Mtn and Pac time zones? Whose idea was this, some message board fan?"

It was accepted knowledge a few months back that the new AAC deal will have "dynamic pricing". Memphis will stand to make as much as anyone in the conference. Other legacy AAC schools may as well. But for sure, Memphis and SMU get the big slices. That is how ESPN keeps the deal whole - adding good markets of up and coming programs, and giving them a lower AAC share - but still more than they got in CUSA. And we still get more than the MWC pays. It's why Boise continues to renegotiate the highest MWC share. They are trying to keep pace.

Our fans seem to have forgotten all these discussions.

(08-01-2022 09:47 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:35 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:22 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:13 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  The AAC was a pretty good conference before 3 of the best 4 announced their departure. I can’t imagine we’d get a decent media deal with the current cast of characters. It’s time to think outside the box. Not sure the best move, but I can’t believe it will be with C-USA 2.

Maybe just blow up the AAC. Take SMU, and a couple of others. Tulsa? Tulane? Navy? Seriously, there isn’t much worth taking.

We were better than the MWC by a long shot, but not any more. The additions are not helpful at all.

Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

Dude, we got gutted in the 2 main sports. Football and Basketball. Look at last years AAC standings and tell me what’s left is anywhere near what we have now.

It’s not about just “tv markets”. It’s about college football “tv markets”. Rutgers got in the B1G b/c of NYC but no one watches Rutgers.

https://bhamnow.com/2021/01/07/birmingha...tive-year/

But they’ll watch Michigan, OSU, etc. Who in South Florida gives a rats ass about any of our teams? We only had 4 good programs. 3 are leaving.

I’m not advocating a MWC move, but you have to believe we need to get out of the mess we’re in. The AAC has been gutted and there just aren’t any good replacements. The MWC has some teams with value. Air Force, Boise, SDSU…

The PAC is more than likely taking all of those teams after the B1G picks a few more off. Why leave where we are at to go to less money and a conference that will lose their three most marketable teams?

And the #’s from 2015-2019 suggest different.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50

(08-01-2022 10:04 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:47 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:35 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:22 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

Dude, we got gutted in the 2 main sports. Football and Basketball. Look at last years AAC standings and tell me what’s left is anywhere near what we have now.

It’s not about just “tv markets”. It’s about college football “tv markets”. Rutgers got in the B1G b/c of NYC but no one watches Rutgers.

https://bhamnow.com/2021/01/07/birmingha...tive-year/

But they’ll watch Michigan, OSU, etc. Who in South Florida gives a rats ass about any of our teams? We only had 4 good programs. 3 are leaving.

I’m not advocating a MWC move, but you have to believe we need to get out of the mess we’re in. The AAC has been gutted and there just aren’t any good replacements. The MWC has some teams with value. Air Force, Boise, SDSU…

The PAC is more than likely taking all of those teams after the B1G picks a few more off. Why leave where we are at to go to less money and a conference that will lose their three most marketable teams?

And the #’s from 2015-2019 suggest different.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50

So the only MWC team in a top 20 TV market has only 30,000 TV viewers for their games.

The new AAC is still the top G5 conference and by large margin.

(08-01-2022 10:04 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:47 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:35 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:29 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-01-2022 09:22 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Six months ago all the negative nabobs were bitching about the AAC and how the Tigers had to get out now. 5yrs ago they were talking about the AAC then just as they talk about it now. A year from now they will still be finding some reason to catch pieces of the sky in their caps. The AAC will do better than they expect and so will the Tigers.

Dude, we got gutted in the 2 main sports. Football and Basketball. Look at last years AAC standings and tell me what’s left is anywhere near what we have now.

It’s not about just “tv markets”. It’s about college football “tv markets”. Rutgers got in the B1G b/c of NYC but no one watches Rutgers.

https://bhamnow.com/2021/01/07/birmingha...tive-year/

But they’ll watch Michigan, OSU, etc. Who in South Florida gives a rats ass about any of our teams? We only had 4 good programs. 3 are leaving.

I’m not advocating a MWC move, but you have to believe we need to get out of the mess we’re in. The AAC has been gutted and there just aren’t any good replacements. The MWC has some teams with value. Air Force, Boise, SDSU…

The PAC is more than likely taking all of those teams after the B1G picks a few more off. Why leave where we are at to go to less money and a conference that will lose their three most marketable teams?

And the #’s from 2015-2019 suggest different.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50

Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

(08-02-2022 09:37 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

(08-02-2022 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 09:37 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

Yea nothing stopping the leftover schools to be in discussions. Its not like it will stop anyone from going to the B12 if they call. Looks like the ACC may be held together by their GOR.

(08-02-2022 11:18 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  

(08-02-2022 10:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  [quote='dcg141' pid='18354641' dateline='1659451041']

Or the PAC could dissolve. I'm suggesting we start to make moves for the future. The best conference left today is a combo of AAC and MW teams. All the schools left need to be proactive instead of waiting around for what the BIG and SEC may or may not do. Notice not one of the schools we added are on that list.

Talk merger then - or new conference. But not leaving the AAC for the MWC. It just makes no sense.

I think one thing Bowlsby did right, is dangle the "future expansion" carrot in front of us, SMU, Boise, Col State. It kept us from getting together initially and becoming as strong as the leftover B12 - such that it might have been enough to keep our departers from departing. Remember Boise and Col State were supposed to be coming over to the AAC shortly after UT and Okie announced leaving for the SEC. But then the B12 said they might add them later, so they decided to stay put.

Credit due - it was a smart move from a guy who made a few terrible moves.

Yea nothing stopping the leftover schools to be in discussions. Its not like it will stop anyone from going to the B12 if they call. Looks like the ACC may be held together by their GOR.
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Is it possible? - Notre Dame and SMU to the ACC. Two private religious schools.