(06-15-2022 08:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I agree with Frank that the "Michigan is at risk" contention seems very odd.

Wahoowa84 makes some very interesting points about Georgetown hoops (and the risk it faces). As I see it, with a few more missteps and some bad luck, GU is at risk of becoming (if it hasn't already) a "rich man's DePaul." And that is not a good thing.

Well, if anything, I am impressed by the *resiliency* of Georgetown's fan base and remaining national brand prominence in hoops.

Bottom line is, we have made one Final 4, IMO the benchmark for A-level hoops relevance, in the past 36 years. We haven't made Sweet 16 in 15 years. Fifteen years!

By all rights, given those results, the hoops brand that was built by John Thompson and Patrick Ewing nearly 40 years ago (40 Years !!!) should have faded to nothing by now.

But ... it hasn't.

As for Michigan's football fan base being "at risk", that's about the silliest thing I've ever heard. Michigan has a top 10, arguably top 5, football fan base and there's zero indication IMO that this will ever change.

(06-15-2022 09:19 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The NewBigXII will have just a smidge fewer fans/school than the OldBigEast. It also lacks a single anchor program. In many ways the new BigXII is a reincarnation of the OldBigEast.

(06-14-2022 08:30 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 08:24 PM)Realigned Wrote:  Not sure this bodes well for the Big 12 as they negotiate a new media rights contract. It has been speculated that Ut and OU provided over half the value of the current contract and this analysis could support that.

It may seem that way, but UC, UCF, UH, and BYU will almost certainly generate a lot more viewership after they join the Big 12, and their fan bases could continue to expand over the next decade or two.

(06-15-2022 09:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:19 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The NewBigXII will have just a smidge fewer fans/school than the OldBigEast. It also lacks a single anchor program. In many ways the new BigXII is a reincarnation of the OldBigEast.

Meh, there are a lot more fans. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Texas Tech ,WVU and BYU all have 55K+ butts in the seat on game day; K-State has 50K+; and TCU, Baylor and UCF will all have around 45K. Even UC and UH will get to the 40,000 number. There are no school's in professional stadiums announcing 40K+ with only ~20K butts in the seat.

(06-15-2022 01:49 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:19 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The NewBigXII will have just a smidge fewer fans/school than the OldBigEast. It also lacks a single anchor program. In many ways the new BigXII is a reincarnation of the OldBigEast.

Meh, there are a lot more fans. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Texas Tech ,WVU and BYU all have 55K+ butts in the seat on game day; K-State has 50K+; and TCU, Baylor and UCF will all have around 45K. Even UC and UH will get to the 40,000 number. There are no school's in professional stadiums announcing 40K+ with only ~20K butts in the seat.

A few good B12 years and UCF might build another 10k seats.

(06-15-2022 09:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:19 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The NewBigXII will have just a smidge fewer fans/school than the OldBigEast. It also lacks a single anchor program. In many ways the new BigXII is a reincarnation of the OldBigEast.

Meh, there are a lot more fans. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Texas Tech ,WVU and BYU all have 55K+ butts in the seat on game day; K-State has 50K+; and TCU, Baylor and UCF will all have around 45K. Even UC and UH will get to the 40,000 number. There are no school's in professional stadiums announcing 40K+ with only ~20K butts in the seat.

(06-14-2022 03:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So Syracuse has a bunch of t-shirt fans that just don’t go to football games or watch them on tv?

(06-16-2022 10:35 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So Syracuse has a bunch of t-shirt fans that just don’t go to football games or watch them on tv?

Pretty much...when we win they come out like your old best buddy.

Even as a Cuse fan I don't buy 14th

We are certainly Top 10 in basketball but way lower in football.

(06-15-2022 03:24 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  A better breakdown would be an equation that combines actual stadium attendance, average ticket price, and TV ratings.

There are definitely some head-scratching outliers with this data set.

(06-15-2022 09:18 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I agree with Frank that the "Michigan is at risk" contention seems very odd.

Wahoowa84 makes some very interesting points about Georgetown hoops (and the risk it faces). As I see it, with a few more missteps and some bad luck, GU is at risk of becoming (if it hasn't already) a "rich man's DePaul." And that is not a good thing.

Well, if anything, I am impressed by the *resiliency* of Georgetown's fan base and remaining national brand prominence in hoops.

Bottom line is, we have made one Final 4, IMO the benchmark for A-level hoops relevance, in the past 36 years. We haven't made Sweet 16 in 15 years. Fifteen years!

By all rights, given those results, the hoops brand that was built by John Thompson and Patrick Ewing nearly 40 years ago (40 Years !!!) should have faded to nothing by now.

But ... it hasn't.

As for Michigan's football fan base being "at risk", that's about the silliest thing I've ever heard. Michigan has a top 10, arguably top 5, football fan base and there's zero indication IMO that this will ever change.

Georgetown hoops is hanging in there, Quo. But some "cracks in the seams" are visible. Attendance has dropped a bit over the years (though that could be rectified, perhaps, with better teams). And recruiting seemingly has been spotty under Ewing and JTIII. The program has recorded only one 20-win-plus season since 2012-13.

GU reminds me a bit of Indiana. Both programs remain relevant overall. But both have suffered somewhat long-term mediocrity.

Agree fully on Michigan.



https://www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb_homeatt.htm

(06-14-2022 08:47 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Read a few interviews from Barry Alvarez on the subject and he sounded really negative about any efforts to even consider reviving the baseball program.

Maybe with Alvarez out of the way, Wisconsin's new AD might explore bringing back baseball at some point.

Let's hope so

(06-14-2022 10:00 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

Interestingly, Penn State has the nation's #4th largest fanbase according to this site, despite the fact that it has only been a member of a power conference since 1990.

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Of additional interest, Miami and Syracuse have two of the largest fan bases in the ACC, even though they didn't join a power conference until 1991 and have only been in the ACC since 2004 and 2013, respectively.

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To cap it off, Notre Dame (the nation's #2nd largest fan base) is still a football independent to this day.

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(06-15-2022 03:38 AM)PusherT Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 03:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So Syracuse has a bunch of t-shirt fans that just don’t go to football games or watch them on tv?

Syracuse football hasn’t been good in 30 years but yes the basketball support shows that the school has a rabid fan base all of upstate New York. Shame football can’t get right

(06-16-2022 10:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:18 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I agree with Frank that the "Michigan is at risk" contention seems very odd.

Wahoowa84 makes some very interesting points about Georgetown hoops (and the risk it faces). As I see it, with a few more missteps and some bad luck, GU is at risk of becoming (if it hasn't already) a "rich man's DePaul." And that is not a good thing.

Well, if anything, I am impressed by the *resiliency* of Georgetown's fan base and remaining national brand prominence in hoops.

Bottom line is, we have made one Final 4, IMO the benchmark for A-level hoops relevance, in the past 36 years. We haven't made Sweet 16 in 15 years. Fifteen years!

By all rights, given those results, the hoops brand that was built by John Thompson and Patrick Ewing nearly 40 years ago (40 Years !!!) should have faded to nothing by now.

But ... it hasn't.

As for Michigan's football fan base being "at risk", that's about the silliest thing I've ever heard. Michigan has a top 10, arguably top 5, football fan base and there's zero indication IMO that this will ever change.

Georgetown hoops is hanging in there, Quo. But some "cracks in the seams" are visible. Attendance has dropped a bit over the years (though that could be rectified, perhaps, with better teams). And recruiting seemingly has been spotty under Ewing and JTIII. The program has recorded only one 20-win-plus season since 2012-13.

GU reminds me a bit of Indiana. Both programs remain relevant overall. But both have suffered somewhat long-term mediocrity.

Agree fully on Michigan.



https://www.hoyabasketball.com/records/bb_homeatt.htm

Georgetown in the 80s and into the 90s was huge among unaffiliated urban fans. They had a huge bandwagon following and it was very popular clothing item to wear Georgetown.

(06-14-2022 05:14 PM)schmolik Wrote:  The fact that Syracuse and Connecticut are both surprisingly high makes me think that despite this being a football poll if someone is a big men's (and in the case of UConn, women's) basketball fan of the school you might just start to like the football team as a result. In the Big 12 ranking, Kansas is in the middle of the pack even though they are unarguably the worst football team in the Big 12. On the other hand, it doesn't help Duke football (2nd to last in the ACC), Indiana football (last in the Big 10), or to a lesser degree Kentucky (4th from the bottom in the SEC).

(06-16-2022 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  This study uses flawed 2011 data from the NYT. It was flawed when the NYT first released it and it’s flawed now. Ohio State has a lot of fans but almost 2 1/2 times more than Alabama… come on.

Just doing a cursory review it looks like he gave northern schools a bump and undervalued southern schools. Then I read his bio: He went to school at SC and Penn. Living now in NYC.

His bio reveals he’s spent not one minute in the south and his report reflects that. This young man needs to get out more.