(10-11-2021 10:44 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:37 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 10:23 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 09:56 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 01:39 AM)GSU-Blue Wrote:  Sorry to resurrect this one, but I wasn’t approved to post when it was active.

Just have to say that I could have totally been down with the AAC…even in its diminished form. GSU is a weird school. Being in a conference with schools like Temple, Navy and Tulane…I can see where that makes some sense. We’re in the same weird neighborhood.

I’m not going to pretend we are an elite academic university, but I feel comfortable saying that our alumni largely take more pride in our academics than our athletics. The administration seems to think similarly.

To be very clear, I’m not saying the AAC is a better conference. I think athletically that the SBC is the best G5 conference. App State, GS, UL, stAte…that’s a tough mix to top.

But I can see where the AAC peer members could make sense for GSU. If we truly bailed out on presenting our case, that’s a disappointment.

Tulane Navy and SMU are the only schools in either conference that are heavy on academics.

Everyone else has roughly the same undergraduate profile. Even Tulsas undergraduate profile is only slightly better than Apps for example.

This might appease some of your fans that have an outmoded sense of where GSU's academics actually stack up, but if you have an undergraduate degree from Ga St, you were a similar student to every other SBC program, and worse (on average) than some.

Think what you want, but those academic rankings actually matter. No, there isn't much difference in a school ranked 225 or ranked 260...but there is a big difference in schools ranked in the Top 250 and R1/R2 compared to a school unranked and listed as a regional college.

sorry you are conflating academic mission with academics. They only matter if you are a career academic.

Whats the actual difference between an undergraduate student at Marshall vs App? Only that the top quartile of Marshall students would even have a shot at being accepted into App.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/appalachian-state-2906/applying

“ Appalachian State University admissions is selective with an acceptance rate of 80% and an early acceptance rate of 82%. Half the applicants admitted to Appalachian State have an SAT score between 1070 and 1240 or an ACT score of 22 and 27.”

(10-11-2021 11:05 AM)TealNation Wrote:  Looking at the past and current frontrunner targets, essentially, the AAC is looking for RESEARCH classified universities. Just say that. That doesn't mean they have better academics at all. That's a specification of the type of university. Little to nothing to do with how great academically it is. That alone will impact certain rankings and how universities are classified on certain sources.

(10-11-2021 11:31 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:05 AM)TealNation Wrote:  Looking at the past and current frontrunner targets, essentially, the AAC is looking for RESEARCH classified universities. Just say that. That doesn't mean they have better academics at all. That's a specification of the type of university. Little to nothing to do with how great academically it is. That alone will impact certain rankings and how universities are classified on certain sources.

Thank you. It's just amazing how so many posters believe that a university's Carnegie classification has anything to do with their academic selectivity profile.

That being said it is possible that some school presidents may want to align themselves with other schools in the same Carnegie profile. While some other school presidents may want to align themselves with other highly regarded academic universities regardless of the university mission.

(10-11-2021 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:31 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:05 AM)TealNation Wrote:  Looking at the past and current frontrunner targets, essentially, the AAC is looking for RESEARCH classified universities. Just say that. That doesn't mean they have better academics at all. That's a specification of the type of university. Little to nothing to do with how great academically it is. That alone will impact certain rankings and how universities are classified on certain sources.

Thank you. It's just amazing how so many posters believe that a university's Carnegie classification has anything to do with their academic selectivity profile.

That being said it is possible that some school presidents may want to align themselves with other schools in the same Carnegie profile. While some other school presidents may want to align themselves with other highly regarded academic universities regardless of the university mission.

Boom

The End

(10-11-2021 03:55 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:35 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:31 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:05 AM)TealNation Wrote:  Looking at the past and current frontrunner targets, essentially, the AAC is looking for RESEARCH classified universities. Just say that. That doesn't mean they have better academics at all. That's a specification of the type of university. Little to nothing to do with how great academically it is. That alone will impact certain rankings and how universities are classified on certain sources.

Thank you. It's just amazing how so many posters believe that a university's Carnegie classification has anything to do with their academic selectivity profile.

That being said it is possible that some school presidents may want to align themselves with other schools in the same Carnegie profile. While some other school presidents may want to align themselves with other highly regarded academic universities regardless of the university mission.

Boom

The End

Yeah....and Ga St would find more universities who fit that same profile in CUSA as opposed to the SBC. Just sayin.

(10-11-2021 11:08 AM)panama Wrote:  True. UAB benefits immensely from having a Med School.

(10-11-2021 07:22 PM)OldApp79 Wrote:  

(10-11-2021 11:08 AM)panama Wrote:  True. UAB benefits immensely from having a Med School.

As does ECU.

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(10-11-2021 05:27 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  "Academics" often works as shorthand for academic profile/mission/goals. I work in biotech where we basically differentiate among three types of labs...government, industry, and academic. Those academic labs may have zero effect on the quality of education at their institutions other than for maybe a few grad students. We still call them academic, and I think that naming convention is true also when referring to the academics of a university.

Obviously, you hope that "success" at the top (turning out PhDs and, most importantly, bringing in research $$$) trickles down to the quality of undergraduate education, at the very least in terms of opportunities offered. Of course, that isn't always the case.

"Academics" in terms of book learnin' is a separate, but related, dimension on which we can evaluate schools. That's where we'd look at what is expected of students in order to be at the school in the first place and especially to graduate. There are colleges like Amherst and Vassar (among many others) that are going to be viewed as academically superior to every school in the Belt when you look at academics from this angle, while they may fall short when referring broadly to "academics" as it often gets used as shorthand for the volume of scholarly activity that takes place at an institution.

And yet we keep having the exact same conversation on message boards.