(07-22-2021 02:07 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Can getting a new commissioner be at the top of the list? What an embarrassing drop-off from Delaney.

(07-22-2021 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:58 AM)usffan Wrote:  If you're CBS and/or Fox, you're watching ESPN maximizing the new contract they just signed when they locked up the SEC by snatching two of the most valuable pieces of the Big XII. And you know that the B1G, Pac-12 and the Big XII rights are all coming up. The question is - can you craft something that would keep you in that same stratosphere? I thing one or both (working together to undermine ESPN) go to the B1G and try to convince them to do something bold by bringing the 4 California schools plus Oregon and Washington (all AAU schools) into the fold. In doing so, you lock up the entire west coast and several major metropolitan areas. That's a 20 team conference, so you'd clearly have to have something like 5 team pods which aren't as neat as the SEC, but you pretty well get away from any "GOR" issues from the ACC and you get the most valuable remaining properties. Then you let the Pac-12 remnants and the Big XII remnants merge to form a "best of the rest" conference if they wish.

USFFan

Interesting idea.

A truly BIG idea would be to create a 3rd west coast division and raid the PAC
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Arizona (AAU) or Arizona St (Phoenix + Ice Hockey Program)

This would give the Big 10 a 21 team conference, although it would be more league at that point, that controls the entire country west of Texas and North of Virginia.

Would FOX be willing to pay a per team SEC + Texas/OU level payout to achieve this?

Realistically, I don't see that happening at that scale.

That being said, it might be a good time for the Big Ten and Pac-12 to resurrect the partnership/alliance that ended up getting killed (by the Pac-12 side) a few years ago. That may honestly be better than any expansion option either league has right now.

A pooling of the their TV rights?

Could they get the pie big enough that at 26 way split is enough to match the new 16 team SEC's per team payout?

(07-22-2021 02:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:58 AM)usffan Wrote:  If you're CBS and/or Fox, you're watching ESPN maximizing the new contract they just signed when they locked up the SEC by snatching two of the most valuable pieces of the Big XII. And you know that the B1G, Pac-12 and the Big XII rights are all coming up. The question is - can you craft something that would keep you in that same stratosphere? I thing one or both (working together to undermine ESPN) go to the B1G and try to convince them to do something bold by bringing the 4 California schools plus Oregon and Washington (all AAU schools) into the fold. In doing so, you lock up the entire west coast and several major metropolitan areas. That's a 20 team conference, so you'd clearly have to have something like 5 team pods which aren't as neat as the SEC, but you pretty well get away from any "GOR" issues from the ACC and you get the most valuable remaining properties. Then you let the Pac-12 remnants and the Big XII remnants merge to form a "best of the rest" conference if they wish.

USFFan

Interesting idea.

A truly BIG idea would be to create a 3rd west coast division and raid the PAC
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Arizona (AAU) or Arizona St (Phoenix + Ice Hockey Program)

This would give the Big 10 a 21 team conference, although it would be more league at that point, that controls the entire country west of Texas and North of Virginia.

Would FOX be willing to pay a per team SEC + Texas/OU level payout to achieve this?

Realistically, I don't see that happening at that scale.

That being said, it might be a good time for the Big Ten and Pac-12 to resurrect the partnership/alliance that ended up getting killed (by the Pac-12 side) a few years ago. That may honestly be better than any expansion option either league has right now.

A pooling of the their TV rights?

Could they get the pie big enough that at 26 way split is enough to match the new 16 team SEC's per team payout?

Not sure if a full pooling would work since the Big Ten is clearly carrying so much more water on that front.

However, maybe pooling all of the Big Ten/Pac-12 games into a separate "alliance" TV package is a way to extract tangible value from that type of partnership beyond just a scheduling arrangement.

(07-22-2021 02:32 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Interesting idea.

A truly BIG idea would be to create a 3rd west coast division and raid the PAC
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
Arizona (AAU) or Arizona St (Phoenix + Ice Hockey Program)

This would give the Big 10 a 21 team conference, although it would be more league at that point, that controls the entire country west of Texas and North of Virginia.

Would FOX be willing to pay a per team SEC + Texas/OU level payout to achieve this?

Realistically, I don't see that happening at that scale.

That being said, it might be a good time for the Big Ten and Pac-12 to resurrect the partnership/alliance that ended up getting killed (by the Pac-12 side) a few years ago. That may honestly be better than any expansion option either league has right now.

A pooling of the their TV rights?

Could they get the pie big enough that at 26 way split is enough to match the new 16 team SEC's per team payout?

Not sure if a full pooling would work since the Big Ten is clearly carrying so much more water on that front.

However, maybe pooling all of the Big Ten/Pac-12 games into a separate "alliance" TV package is a way to extract tangible value from that type of partnership beyond just a scheduling arrangement.

You could see them do something where they pay out a base amount of their pooled resources plus another amount based on appearances on each platform (e.g. a bonus for each game selected for broadcast on Fox vs. FS1 vs. FS2). This would result in more money going to the biggest teams/draws, which I would think would be favorable to the Ohio States, Penn States, USCs and Oregons and less favorable to the Purdues, Rutgers, Wazzous and Oregon States...

USFFan

(07-22-2021 01:50 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 01:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  B1G could add Kansas and West Virginia.

Both good rivals for those they already have in their divisions.

No way will the Big 10 invite WVU. Kansas? Maybe, they are AAU I believe.

(07-22-2021 03:18 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Now that actual realignment chatter has commenced our favorite twitterattis are trying to take advantage of the new interest. The Flug comes out with this...

(yes, take it with mountains of salt)

(07-21-2021 07:48 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  The Big Ten Presidents are way too pretentious to add Florida State or Clemson. Assuming Texas and Oklahoma do go to the SEC, the only realistic candidates before the ACC’s GOR expires in 2030 or whatever are Kansas, Colorado, and Arizona (because the PAC GOR expires in 2024).

(07-22-2021 02:43 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:32 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 02:27 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 01:23 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 12:44 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Realistically, I don't see that happening at that scale.

That being said, it might be a good time for the Big Ten and Pac-12 to resurrect the partnership/alliance that ended up getting killed (by the Pac-12 side) a few years ago. That may honestly be better than any expansion option either league has right now.

A pooling of the their TV rights?

Could they get the pie big enough that at 26 way split is enough to match the new 16 team SEC's per team payout?

Not sure if a full pooling would work since the Big Ten is clearly carrying so much more water on that front.

However, maybe pooling all of the Big Ten/Pac-12 games into a separate "alliance" TV package is a way to extract tangible value from that type of partnership beyond just a scheduling arrangement.

You could see them do something where they pay out a base amount of their pooled resources plus another amount based on appearances on each platform (e.g. a bonus for each game selected for broadcast on Fox vs. FS1 vs. FS2). This would result in more money going to the biggest teams/draws, which I would think would be favorable to the Ohio States, Penn States, USCs and Oregons and less favorable to the Purdues, Rutgers, Wazzous and Oregon States...

USFFan

Sure, although the Big Ten is at the forefront of the equal TV revenue distribution model that has also been adopted by the NFL and SEC. That's just antithetical to the Big Ten model and why the league itself is so strong together. I mean, the Big 12 lost its members in the 2010s largely as a result of unequal revenue distribution - there's a really strong correlation between that type of model and long-term conference dysfunction.

(07-22-2021 03:18 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Now that actual realignment chatter has commenced our favorite twitterattis are trying to take advantage of the new interest. The Flug comes out with this...

(yes, take it with mountains of salt)

(07-21-2021 09:33 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  I posted this in another thread but if the B1G can’t get UVA and UNC, how about going for USC and UCLA? This is a total blue sky thought on my part.

(07-25-2021 02:21 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 09:33 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  I posted this in another thread but if the B1G can’t get UVA and UNC, how about going for USC and UCLA? This is a total blue sky thought on my part.

Is it even a conference with USC and UCLA? They issue moving forward for the B1G is that if you make a move on the ACC schools or the Pac-12 schools, you almost have to do a bunch of them as a separate division so as not to isolate them from their region and rivals. How many would you need? 6, 7, 8 teams in order to get enough of the crown jewels of a region to make it workable? Is it even a conference anymore if you do that?

(07-22-2021 03:45 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 03:18 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Now that actual realignment chatter has commenced our favorite twitterattis are trying to take advantage of the new interest. The Flug comes out with this...

(yes, take it with mountains of salt)

Good Lord, that's The Dude of WV's music!

USFFan

(07-25-2021 02:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes. Fluguar, MHver3, and the Dude are literally interconnected and do podcasts and argue with each other from scripts that would make the WWF blush at the absurdity.

(07-25-2021 02:49 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 02:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes. Fluguar, MHver3, and the Dude are literally interconnected and do podcasts and argue with each other from scripts that would make the WWF blush at the absurdity.

Dang I thought all of these personalities were the same person. Actually that would be one helluva podcast if that theory still holds and I may need to check it out haha

(07-25-2021 02:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 02:49 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote:  

(07-25-2021 02:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Yes. Fluguar, MHver3, and the Dude are literally interconnected and do podcasts and argue with each other from scripts that would make the WWF blush at the absurdity.

Dang I thought all of these personalities were the same person. Actually that would be one helluva podcast if that theory still holds and I may need to check it out haha

MHVer3 and the Dude are different people, but they may be cousins.

Fluguar is different. Regularly ticks off the Dude (see WWE comment).