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RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - U_of_Elvis - 06-11-2021 07:58 AM
(06-11-2021 07:33 AM)stinkfist Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:22 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:(06-10-2021 11:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote: Keep looking Elvis,
Long Island has one I believe, and other aggregate studies appear to be right in line.
Not the fish bowl cleaner, mind you, the stuff your Doc would give you, not the local PetCo.
If the evidence is out there (randomized placebo controlled clinical trail) post it. The study posted by the op isn’t it.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jama.2020.22240
“Findings In this randomized clinical trial that included 479 hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).”
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044
Findings In this trial that included 685 patients, rates of COVID-19–associated hospitalization in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine or lopinavir-ritonavir were not significantly different compared with those who received placebo.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments
The Solidarity Trial published interim results on 15 October 2020. It found that all 4 treatments evaluated (remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir/ritonavir and interferon) had little or no effect on overall mortality, initiation of ventilation and duration of hospital stay in hospitalized patients.
can’t make $$$ from existing product to justify research $$$…but your slimy arse already knew that, Ja?!!!
You don’t seem to understand how a randomized trial works.
Observational studies are where cherry picking for results for research money happens.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Redwingtom - 06-11-2021 07:59 AM
(06-11-2021 07:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
Well, looks like he was right about Wuhan and everything you say above was said about that situation as well. We'll see....
It was a 50/50 proposition.
I can say it's going to rain tomorrow. If it does, that doesn't make me a meteorologist!
Again, he provided no evidence when he made the claim. His own DNI said the exact opposite at that time. He was praising China and Xi for handling the virus well.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Owl 69/70/75 - 06-11-2021 08:00 AM
(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: He. Is. Not. Credible.
That is the narrative that the left keeps trying to create, along with:
He.Is.Racist.
and
He.Is.Unstable.And.Will.Start.A.War.
The problem with creating narratives is that when the chickens come home to roost, those narratives have to prove up. The one narrative that has proved up is:
He.Says.And.Writes.Mean.Things.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Redwingtom - 06-11-2021 08:01 AM
(06-11-2021 07:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
There were numerous doctors here and overseas who claimed this in conjunction with zinc had some effect.
Do you label Fauci as not credible as he was saying mask were not effective early on?
Must suck to continue to say he was not credible when much of what he was saying about this and other things continues to be shown correct.
A licensed physician in Ohio said this week that spoons and forks magnetically stick to the bodies of people who have gotten the Covid vaccine.
And you're not providing proper context for Fauci's mask comments at the very beginning of a virus outbreak that we still knew little about.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - VA49er - 06-11-2021 08:03 AM
(06-11-2021 07:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
Well, looks like he was right about Wuhan and everything you say above was said about that situation as well. We'll see....
It was a 50/50 proposition.
I can say it going to rain tomorrow. If it does, that doesn't make me a meteorologist!
Again, he provided no evidence when he made the claim. His own DNI said the exact opposite at that time. He was praising China and Xi for handling the virus well.
Yet he was correct. Pretty sure Trump had access to data back then anyway. If it had been ANYONE other than Trump, the left would have taken it seriously. He was quickly dismissed because Trump. Everything now is backfill. It is interesting that even though now the admin is saying the same thing Trump said they aren't getting lambasted by the medai,quite the opposite. No, it's not because new info has came out, that info was there before but the media hate towards Trump didn't allow the left to accept it.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - stinkfist - 06-11-2021 08:04 AM
(06-11-2021 08:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: He. Is. Not. Credible.
That is the narrative that the left keeps trying to create, along with:
He.Is.Racist.
and
He.Is.Unstable.And.Will.Start.A.War.
The problem with creating narratives is that when the chickens come home to roost, those narratives have to prove up. The one narrative that has proved up is:
He.Says.And.Writes.Mean.Things.
A.M.E.N!
@(sin)cerity
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Redwingtom - 06-11-2021 08:06 AM
(06-11-2021 08:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
Well, looks like he was right about Wuhan and everything you say above was said about that situation as well. We'll see....
It was a 50/50 proposition.
I can say it going to rain tomorrow. If it does, that doesn't make me a meteorologist!
Again, he provided no evidence when he made the claim. His own DNI said the exact opposite at that time. He was praising China and Xi for handling the virus well.
Yet he was correct. Pretty sure Trump had access to data back then anyway. If it had been ANYONE other than Trump, the left would have taken it seriously. He was quickly dismissed because Trump. Everything now is backfill. It is interesting that even though now the admin is saying the same thing Trump said they aren't getting lambasted by the medai,quite the opposite. No, it's not because new info has came out, that info was there before but the media hate towards Trump didn't allow the left to accept it.
Correct about what?
We still have no confirmation that his drug does anything for Covid and we have no confirmation that Covid came from a lab, intentional or otherwise.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Owl 69/70/75 - 06-11-2021 08:06 AM
I'll give you a couple of narratives about our current president and VP.
He.Is.A.Senile.Idiot.
She.Is.A.Redistributionist/Socialist/Marxist.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - bearcat65 - 06-11-2021 08:06 AM
(06-11-2021 08:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
There were numerous doctors here and overseas who claimed this in conjunction with zinc had some effect.
Do you label Fauci as not credible as he was saying mask were not effective early on?
Must suck to continue to say he was not credible when much of what he was saying about this and other things continues to be shown correct.
I licensed physician in Ohio said this week that spoons and forks magnetically stick to the bodies of people who have gotten the Covid vaccine.
And you're not providing proper context for Fauci's mask comments at the very beginning of a virus outbreak that we still knew little about.
Which has zero to do with the multiple doctors who were not quacks who claimed to have success.
So Fauci gets a pass because at the beginning we didn't know what we were dealing with but Trump doesn't. Okay.
The more that comes out the more it seems that the bureaucrats and press were the ones who had credibility issues.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - U_of_Elvis - 06-11-2021 08:08 AM
(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
The confidence interval looks like it would be 14 - 16 on this, so a 30 point swing isn’t good, but the biggest overall problem is probably the selection bias of creating a cumulative dose sub group.
What they may have discovered is that people who lived subsequently lived long enough to take more HCQ and are skewed into the high cumulative dose group. Did they live because they took a high cumulative dose, or did they take a high cumulative dose because they lived?
You would need a trial with a few hundred patients in the experiment and the placebo control groups to tell the difference.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - banker - 06-11-2021 08:08 AM
“Sample size too small - not reliable. A survey of 500 registered voters - completely believable.” Liberals.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - stinkfist - 06-11-2021 08:09 AM
(06-11-2021 08:06 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 08:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
There were numerous doctors here and overseas who claimed this in conjunction with zinc had some effect.
Do you label Fauci as not credible as he was saying mask were not effective early on?
Must suck to continue to say he was not credible when much of what he was saying about this and other things continues to be shown correct.
I licensed physician in Ohio said this week that spoons and forks magnetically stick to the bodies of people who have gotten the Covid vaccine.
And you're not providing proper context for Fauci's mask comments at the very beginning of a virus outbreak that we still knew little about.
Which has zero to do with the multiple doctors who were not quacks who claimed to have success.
So Fauci gets a pass because at the beginning we didn't know what we were dealing with but Trump doesn't. Okay.
The more that comes out the more it seems that the bureaucrats and press were the ones who had credibility issues.
that dipshite has zero clue about if, and, but, or 1=true…continue to treat that fkbag as such…
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Redwingtom - 06-11-2021 08:10 AM
(06-11-2021 08:06 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 08:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:32 AM)VA49er Wrote: Yes, the sample size is small. However, I have no doubt that even it was larger, and peer reviewed, the left would still discredit it because Trump.
If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
There were numerous doctors here and overseas who claimed this in conjunction with zinc had some effect.
Do you label Fauci as not credible as he was saying mask were not effective early on?
Must suck to continue to say he was not credible when much of what he was saying about this and other things continues to be shown correct.
I licensed physician in Ohio said this week that spoons and forks magnetically stick to the bodies of people who have gotten the Covid vaccine.
And you're not providing proper context for Fauci's mask comments at the very beginning of a virus outbreak that we still knew little about.
Which has zero to do with the multiple doctors who were not quacks who claimed to have success.
So Fauci gets a pass because at the beginning we didn't know what we were dealing with but Trump doesn't. Okay.
The more that comes out the more it seems that the bureaucrats and press were the ones who had credibility issues.
Yet one of the guys who touted this early on WAS a quack. We discussed his "proof" last year. Don't have the desire to look him up, but knock yourself out. The point is that so called doctors, like Dr. Oz, can still be quacks.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Redwingtom - 06-11-2021 08:11 AM
(06-11-2021 08:08 AM)banker Wrote: “Sample size too small - not reliable. A survey of 500 registered voters - completely believable.” Liberals.
That's a REALLY stupid comparison. You're better than that.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - AdoptedMonarch - 06-11-2021 08:11 AM
Eldonabe was correct, Tom. You refuse to accept truth, even when it barrels down upon you like a freight train. (I don't know why that is. Those who accuse you of being a paid troll are at least giving you the benefit of the doubt that you cannot be as stubbornly dumb as you present. But that's neither here nor there.)
If your only point is that President Trump has a credibility problem, that's a chip shot. But you, and progressives generally, went for more than that. As Owl Numbers points out, you pushed a narrative. And now you are being confronted by your own lies.
You can deny it all you wish - - and I have no doubt that you will. But the rest of us see it. Quite clearly.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - stinkfist - 06-11-2021 08:13 AM
(06-11-2021 08:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 08:06 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 08:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:(06-11-2021 07:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: If so, the problem is trump, not the left.
There was no data affirming this drug at the time he made it! Hell it took well over a year to get one small study to even claim it was. Much like his claim that a lab released the virus. Sure, maybe he was right, but at the time he provided no data to affirm that and his own DNI was saying the opposite. Also, he was praising China and Xi at the same time for handling it well!
The guy is just not credible. If you recall, he was privately telling Woodward how dangerous the virus was at the same time he was telling the public it was just a flu that would magically disappear by Easter with warmer weather.
He. Is. Not. Credible.
There were numerous doctors here and overseas who claimed this in conjunction with zinc had some effect.
Do you label Fauci as not credible as he was saying mask were not effective early on?
Must suck to continue to say he was not credible when much of what he was saying about this and other things continues to be shown correct.
I licensed physician in Ohio said this week that spoons and forks magnetically stick to the bodies of people who have gotten the Covid vaccine.
And you're not providing proper context for Fauci's mask comments at the very beginning of a virus outbreak that we still knew little about.
Which has zero to do with the multiple doctors who were not quacks who claimed to have success.
So Fauci gets a pass because at the beginning we didn't know what we were dealing with but Trump doesn't. Okay.
The more that comes out the more it seems that the bureaucrats and press were the ones who had credibility issues.
Yet one of the guys who touted this early on WAS a quack. We discussed his "proof" last year. Don't have the desire to look him up, but knock yourself out. The point is that so called doctors, like Dr. Oz, can still be quacks.
maybe one day ewe’ll understand the concept of legalized “practicing medicine” vs. pharma lobbyist $$$ boomerG extraction…
@eweKnowI/weKnow
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Owl 69/70/75 - 06-11-2021 08:22 AM
(06-11-2021 08:06 AM)bearcat65 Wrote: The more that comes out the more it seems that the bureaucrats and press were the ones who had credibility issues.
Bureaucrats are bureaucrats. They are not emergency responders. The two thought processes are totally different. Bureaucrats do everything by the book and their first three concerns are, in order:
1) my career,
2) my agency, and
3) solving the problem
Emergency responders focus solely on solving the problem, and the first rule of emergency response is to throw the book away.
We have continued to look to bureaucrats to solve emergency response problems, and that has led us to repeated failures. We need to create and train up an agency that thinks like emergency responders. We don't have one, and that repeatedly bites us in the butt.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - JMUDunk - 06-11-2021 08:23 AM
(06-11-2021 07:22 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:(06-10-2021 11:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote: Keep looking Elvis,
Long Island has one I believe, and other aggregate studies appear to be right in line.
Not the fish bowl cleaner, mind you, the stuff your Doc would give you, not the local PetCo.
If the evidence is out there (randomized placebo controlled clinical trail) post it. The study posted by the op isn’t it.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jama.2020.22240
“Findings In this randomized clinical trial that included 479 hospitalized adults with respiratory symptoms from COVID-19, the distribution of the day 14 clinical status score (measured using a 7-category ordinal scale) was not significantly different for patients randomized to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with placebo (adjusted odds ratio, 1.02).”
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044
Findings In this trial that included 685 patients, rates of COVID-19–associated hospitalization in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine or lopinavir-ritonavir were not significantly different compared with those who received placebo.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov/solidarity-clinical-trial-for-covid-19-treatments
The Solidarity Trial published interim results on 15 October 2020. It found that all 4 treatments evaluated (remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir/ritonavir and interferon) had little or no effect on overall mortality, initiation of ventilation and duration of hospital stay in hospitalized patients.
I've posted them before, going back a year or more including this one by Raoult and then others that are meta-analysis of other studies merged into one wide review. One Long Island Doc primarily treating the Hasidic community reported good results back in March or so of last year.
Other than the Trump-hate, why doubt these Docs that are on the front line that are reporting they had good results when given early, in the correct dosages for the right length of time? What do you think they have to gain from lying about it?
Wracking up that new yacht $4.40 at a time?
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - Owl 69/70/75 - 06-11-2021 08:29 AM
(06-11-2021 08:23 AM)JMUDunk Wrote: Other than the Trump-hate, why doubt these Docs that are on the front line that are reporting they had good results when given early, in the correct dosages for the right length of time? What do you think they have to gain from lying about it?
This illustrates exactly the difference between bureaucrat and emergency responder thinking.
Bureaucrat: "OMG, we haven't had the full regimen of placebo-controlled clinical tests. We can't use this stuff."
Emergency responder: "OMG, nothing works, nothing is where it is supposed to be, and people are dying right and left. Might as well give it a try."
I have often wondered how a bureaucrat would act if you took him/her out of his/her ivory tower and placed him/her on the front lines.
RE: New Study: Hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump increased COVID survival rates by 200% - stinkfist - 06-11-2021 08:31 AM
(06-11-2021 08:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:(06-11-2021 08:23 AM)JMUDunk Wrote: Other than the Trump-hate, why doubt these Docs that are on the front line that are reporting they had good results when given early, in the correct dosages for the right length of time? What do you think they have to gain from lying about it?
This illustrates exactly the difference between bureaucrat and emergency responder thinking.
Bureaucrat: "OMG, we haven't had the full regimen of placebo-controlled clinical tests. We can't use this stuff."
Emergency responder: "OMG, nothing works, nothing is where it is supposed to be, and people are dying right and left. Might as well give it a try."
I have often wondered how a bureaucrat would act if you took him/her out of his/her ivory tower and placed him/her on the front lines.
#henceDJT