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Penny needs an Antonio Burks - CUSA_NEWS - 11-26-2020 02:46 PM
Penny needs a strong, athletic pg with some size who can push the ball and put pressure on teams and draw fouls.
A dawg. Simple. Murrell maybe would've sufficed??
Penny hasn't had a dawg at guard yet. Need a pg who knows how to draw contact on the bigs to get them out the game. Alo wanted no parts of driving it into Bassey's domain. Don't think he attempted a layup all game. Did he attempt one in the first game?
That's not going to cut it especially if he's not able to excel at setting up plays for others....
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - CUSA_NEWS - 11-26-2020 02:51 PM
Btw, Alo shooting 28% from the field for the season.
A recipe for disaster. Unable to get easy buckets, or get to the foul line. Teams don't fear any aspect of his game offensively so the shade his defense onto other tiger players.
Need a ball wizard who can attack and create for himself or others instead of the turning fadeaway shots in crunch time without passing....
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - MemphisTigerPawr - 11-26-2020 03:01 PM
Alo isnt the answer.
Penny might love him but he doesn't have it upstairs.
Maybe Nolley needs to be our PG, at least he is a dawg.
If not Nolley then Baugh.
Glad we didn't get embarrassed by Huggins
Why aren't we creating more for Quinones? Dude can shoot.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - tkgrrett - 11-26-2020 03:19 PM
Im not convinced Boogie and Baugh arent already the answers.
Boogie maybe shoots a little much and Baugh can get better making decisions but offense at least looks threatening with the ball in their hands.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - macgar32 - 11-26-2020 03:22 PM
With the scheme Penny is runny...Penny needs a Penny.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - macgar32 - 11-26-2020 03:23 PM
(11-26-2020 03:19 PM)tkgrrett Wrote: Im not convinced Boogie and Baugh arent already the answers.
Boogie maybe shoots a little much and Baugh can get better making decisions but offense at least looks threatening with the ball in their hands.
I think Baugh is athletic enough to get it done...He isn't going to be a knock down shooter this year but with some instruction I think he can be competent running the point. But we are going to need to run more than just the high screen and roll
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - tkgrrett - 11-26-2020 03:28 PM
(11-26-2020 03:23 PM)macgar32 Wrote:(11-26-2020 03:19 PM)tkgrrett Wrote: Im not convinced Boogie and Baugh arent already the answers.
Boogie maybe shoots a little much and Baugh can get better making decisions but offense at least looks threatening with the ball in their hands.
I think Baugh is athletic enough to get it done...He isn't going to be a knock down shooter this year but with some instruction I think he can be competent.
Yep. But dont think he needs to be knockdown with his atheleticism. Just needs to be enough of a threat that the defense has to respond to him and actually closeout/roatate. Right now we do nothing to make the defense move at all either on ball or off ball.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - macgar32 - 11-26-2020 03:32 PM
I still don't understand how Lomax doesn't have a 3 point shot...
He knew that was a requirement for him to be a high level contributor.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - Rufus T. Firefly - 11-26-2020 03:41 PM
There is not one guy who is the traditional, prototypical pg on our roster. We run almost no offensive sets and I don't know if I saw a pass from the wing to a posted up interior guy the last 2 games. Lester is not the second coming of Steph Curry. The only games we will not struggle to win are the games where we simply outclass the opponent athletically.I have loved Penny since the early nineties but it has become clear to me he will never be a Final Four level coach..only a get a bid by winning the conference tourney level coach.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - MemphisTigerPawr - 11-26-2020 03:41 PM
(11-26-2020 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote: I still don't understand how Lomax doesn't have a 3 point shot...
He knew that was a requirement for him to be a high level contributor.
He doesn't have a 2 point shot
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - tkgrrett - 11-26-2020 03:55 PM
(11-26-2020 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote: I still don't understand how Lomax doesn't have a 3 point shot...
He knew that was a requirement for him to be a high level contributor.
Just watched Gonzaga run the high-ball screen offense Penny is trying to run but with Jalen Suggs and it made me even more convinced Boogie or Baugh need to be primary lead guards.
If you the guy running it
1) wont shoot when the defender goes deep underneath the screen;
2) Isnt a threat to relocate to the corner after a pass and shoot the corner 3; and
3) doesnt have athleticism to build head of steam and attack basket
Then the defense doesnt have to do anything at all.. your offense literally has no shot of working.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - batman - 11-26-2020 04:25 PM
(11-26-2020 03:01 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: Alo isnt the answer.Are you sure about that ...: I see LQ shoot more bricks than anything
Penny might love him but he doesn't have it upstairs.
Maybe Nolley needs to be our PG, at least he is a dawg.
If not Nolley then Baugh.
Glad we didn't get embarrassed by Huggins
Why aren't we creating more for Quinones? Dude can shoot.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - passat25 - 11-26-2020 04:27 PM
Only Penny knows why Lomax is the starting PG... He dribbles the ball to death.. Like someone stated, he doesn't even have a 2 point shot!
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - MemphisTigerPawr - 11-26-2020 05:09 PM
(11-26-2020 04:25 PM)batman Wrote:(11-26-2020 03:01 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: Alo isnt the answer.Are you sure about that ...: I see LQ shoot more bricks than anything
Penny might love him but he doesn't have it upstairs.
Maybe Nolley needs to be our PG, at least he is a dawg.
If not Nolley then Baugh.
Glad we didn't get embarrassed by Huggins
Why aren't we creating more for Quinones? Dude can shoot.
I'm sure.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - CUSA_NEWS - 11-26-2020 05:33 PM
Dynamic playmaker.
Bad Boys commentators just mentioned not having dynamic playmaker is enough to keep a team from reaching the level of play the team desires. This has been Memphis issue the last 3 years with Alo.
A dynamic playmaker who can drive, collapse the D and kick for easy shots or drive and create contact helps maintain the offensive continuity. A pg who does none of that will be a hindrance to the team
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - CUSA_NEWS - 11-26-2020 05:33 PM
Laphonso Ellis just mentioned the pg issue with Memphis and how it's affecting players like DJ. THIS is what I've been saying the last 3 years. Teams know they don't have to respect the starting pg in any way on the offensive end.... go underneath screens and he's not a threat to shoot the 3. He's not a catch and shoot threat nor a threat off the dribble or on the drive
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - Atlanta - 11-26-2020 05:38 PM
(11-26-2020 02:46 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Penny needs a strong, athletic pg with some size who can push the ball and put pressure on teams and draw fouls.
A dawg. Simple. Murrell maybe would've sufficed??
Penny hasn't had a dawg at guard yet. Need a pg who knows how to draw contact on the bigs to get them out the game. Alo wanted no parts of driving it into Bassey's domain. Don't think he attempted a layup all game. Did he attempt one in the first game?
That's not going to cut it especially if he's not able to excel at setting up plays for others....
I'd say Boogie fits the bill, just needs minutes & assurance he's going to run the team, stay on the floor. With assurance of minutes, Boogie won't play to get his points so much, rather he'll let the game come to him as he includes others. He's about the best we have going to the basket & probably the best we have from the perimeter when he's on.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - macgar32 - 11-26-2020 05:46 PM
(11-26-2020 05:33 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Laphonso Ellis just mentioned the pg issue with Memphis and how it's affecting players like DJ. THIS is what I've been saying the last 3 years. Teams know they don't have to respect the starting pg in any way on the offensive end.... go underneath screens and he's not a threat to shoot the 3. He's not a catch and shoot threat nor a threat off the dribble or on the drive
You cant lay DJs lack of success at the feet of any guard.
He is catching the ball at the top and on the wing...That is where he wants to be.
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - tkgrrett - 11-26-2020 06:14 PM
(11-26-2020 05:33 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Laphonso Ellis just mentioned the pg issue with Memphis and how it's affecting players like DJ. THIS is what I've been saying the last 3 years. Teams know they don't have to respect the starting pg in any way on the offensive end.... go underneath screens and he's not a threat to shoot the 3. He's not a catch and shoot threat nor a threat off the dribble or on the drive
Exactly. Im just a dumb outsider but it feels like the success of half our "sets" are just completely dependent on the defense making a horrible mistake, not trying to create an advantage or force a real decision.
Like what advantage do we create with a one-pass wing drive to DJ? We dont move the ball side to side to move the defense so it only works if the defender is just out of position.
What advantage does a Cisse-Lomax high screen create? It only works if the defender forgets to drop into contain or the big chases high for some unknown reason.
Lomax in a P&R. Laughable.
Why arent we creating mismatches with high-low actions with DJ/Nolley initiating when a small guard ends up on LQ?
Why didnt we kill them with repeated P&R or High-Ball screens with a Big plus Boogie?
Why dont we have off ball actions with LQ/Nolley moving off screens and one of our long athletes flashing for a paint touch.
What happened to the the Dandridge high-post action we saw last year?
RE: Penny needs an Antonio Burks - memtigbb - 11-26-2020 06:23 PM
(11-26-2020 05:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:Yeah, I agree with that. While the PGs arent doing him many favors, at the same time, his issues fall squarely on him.(11-26-2020 05:33 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote: Laphonso Ellis just mentioned the pg issue with Memphis and how it's affecting players like DJ. THIS is what I've been saying the last 3 years. Teams know they don't have to respect the starting pg in any way on the offensive end.... go underneath screens and he's not a threat to shoot the 3. He's not a catch and shoot threat nor a threat off the dribble or on the drive
You cant lay DJs lack of success at the feet of any guard.
He is catching the ball at the top and on the wing...That is where he wants to be.