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RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - TripleA - 05-18-2020 08:53 PM

Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-18-2020 10:36 PM

(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

we were playng to redshirt a 4star guard prior to hinton leaving...
we were that deep at guard....

just guards:
*Hinton
-mill- best scoring UH freshman in 40 years
-sasser- best shooter on last years team
-grimes- top 10 5star -top scorer till injury
-dejon- top 50 recruit/ will be senior-3rd best assist rate/2nd best at drawning fouls in conference

new players-
-tramon mark- top 70 4star 6'6 SG- highest incoming aac recruit
-cameron tyson - idaho transfer- broke big sky freshman 3pt shooting record
-jamal shead- 4star Guard -4th highest rated in conference

if we somehow land some super touted big, in the bigger picture itll be positive ..we arent deep at big ..only fabian has any accolade...
we had no free scholarships before

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-18-2020 10:43 PM

and so it doesnt seem like im "spinning" literally a month ago when grimes announced he was coming back...i said how crazy deep houston was at guard...that we could lose any random 3 guards and id still feel confident about the guard unit...on this forum

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - JFlight21 - 05-19-2020 07:41 AM

You can still feel confident in the guard unit but also recognize the team’s ceiling just fell. Hinton was your best player.

Oh and Mark is no longer the highest ranked recruit - Rivals put Tari Eason at 54. That makes two straight classes that Brannen brought in a top 60 recruit.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - StillJonesing - 05-19-2020 08:48 AM

(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

No $hit 03-lmfao . Hinton was one of the top 2 or 3 players returning in the league by any metric, and clearly the key to their dominate rebounding getting 8.7rpg as a freaking wing. Rebounding was the thing they stood out in the most by a mile on their team as elite (Houston #2 in the nation in rebound rate) and was the driving forces in their dominance and he was the main part if not all of that of that clearly was Hinton getting out of position boards like a madman and being the best rebounder on the team. These guards like Mills and Sasser he is talking about replacing him and the most important thing he does for Houston and the biggest reason why they were so good is nonsense. Any center replacing what he did would have to be about the best rebounder in the nation to make it up too. It's a huge loss for Houston and the league.

Rebounds per 100 possessions

Hinton 17.2
Grimes 7.9
Mills 7.0
Sasser 6.1

There is no replacing what he really did for that team because there aren't but a few other wings that even rebound like that. He was the elite #1 rebounder on the #2 rebounding team in the nation from a weird position at thats the thing that made Houston elite and different. You don't replace that, there team DNA and identity will be completely different.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - HuskyU - 05-19-2020 08:51 AM

Gotta agree with Coach P here. Addition by subtraction.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - rosewater - 05-19-2020 09:12 AM

(05-19-2020 07:41 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can still feel confident in the guard unit but also recognize the team’s ceiling just fell. Hinton was your best player.

Oh and Mark is no longer the highest ranked recruit - Rivals put Tari Eason at 54. That makes two straight classes that Brannen brought in a top 60 recruit.

what is up with 247 and the eAson ranking? Who cares really, I like the direction John is taking the program.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - rosewater - 05-19-2020 09:14 AM

(05-19-2020 08:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

No $hit 03-lmfao . Hinton was one of the top 2 or 3 players returning in the league by any metric, and clearly the key to their dominate rebounding getting 8.7rpg as a freaking wing. Rebounding was the thing they stood out in the most by a mile on their team as elite (Houston #2 in the nation in rebound rate) and was the driving forces in their dominance and he was the main part if not all of that of that clearly was Hinton getting out of position boards like a madman and being the best rebounder on the team. These guards like Mills and Sasser he is talking about replacing him and the most important thing he does for Houston and the biggest reason why they were so good is nonsense. Any center replacing what he did would have to be about the best rebounder in the nation to make it up too. It's a huge loss for Houston and the league.

Rebounds per 100 possessions

Hinton 17.2
Grimes 7.9
Mills 7.0
Sasser 6.1

There is no replacing what he really did for that team because there aren't but a few other wings that even rebound like that. He was the elite #1 rebounder on the #2 rebounding team in the nation from a weird position at thats the thing that made Houston elite and different. You don't replace that, there team DNA and identity will be completely different.

Not on the same page with Jonesy very often, but I think he is dead on here. The rebounding is what killed us at Houston. Hinton was an animal on the offensive boards. This will be hard to replace.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - StillJonesing - 05-19-2020 09:35 AM

(05-19-2020 09:14 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

No $hit 03-lmfao . Hinton was one of the top 2 or 3 players returning in the league by any metric, and clearly the key to their dominate rebounding getting 8.7rpg as a freaking wing. Rebounding was the thing they stood out in the most by a mile on their team as elite (Houston #2 in the nation in rebound rate) and was the driving forces in their dominance and he was the main part if not all of that of that clearly was Hinton getting out of position boards like a madman and being the best rebounder on the team. These guards like Mills and Sasser he is talking about replacing him and the most important thing he does for Houston and the biggest reason why they were so good is nonsense. Any center replacing what he did would have to be about the best rebounder in the nation to make it up too. It's a huge loss for Houston and the league.

Rebounds per 100 possessions

Hinton 17.2
Grimes 7.9
Mills 7.0
Sasser 6.1

There is no replacing what he really did for that team because there aren't but a few other wings that even rebound like that. He was the elite #1 rebounder on the #2 rebounding team in the nation from a weird position at thats the thing that made Houston elite and different. You don't replace that, there team DNA and identity will be completely different.

Not on the same page with Jonesy very often, but I think he is dead on here. The rebounding is what killed us at Houston. Hinton was an animal on the offensive boards. This will be hard to replace.

It's just tangible facts. The rebounding was what made them special as a team last year and he was clearly the driving force behind that rebounding at a position that is rare. There team will be lot different next year and bringing up some 3 year old high school rankings at this point to try to make a case how they are better is pretty laughable as evidence and his typical MO.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-19-2020 09:37 AM

(05-19-2020 07:41 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can still feel confident in the guard unit but also recognize the team’s ceiling just fell. Hinton was your best player.

Oh and Mark is no longer the highest ranked recruit - Rivals put Tari Eason at 54. That makes two straight classes that Brannen brought in a top 60 recruit.

hinton was going to be our leader and captain.. he was not going to be our best player, it would have been mills or grimes..

and i was using composite rankings, mark is the highest there

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-19-2020 09:42 AM

(05-19-2020 09:14 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

No $hit 03-lmfao . Hinton was one of the top 2 or 3 players returning in the league by any metric, and clearly the key to their dominate rebounding getting 8.7rpg as a freaking wing. Rebounding was the thing they stood out in the most by a mile on their team as elite (Houston #2 in the nation in rebound rate) and was the driving forces in their dominance and he was the main part if not all of that of that clearly was Hinton getting out of position boards like a madman and being the best rebounder on the team. These guards like Mills and Sasser he is talking about replacing him and the most important thing he does for Houston and the biggest reason why they were so good is nonsense. Any center replacing what he did would have to be about the best rebounder in the nation to make it up too. It's a huge loss for Houston and the league.

Rebounds per 100 possessions

Hinton 17.2
Grimes 7.9
Mills 7.0
Sasser 6.1

There is no replacing what he really did for that team because there aren't but a few other wings that even rebound like that. He was the elite #1 rebounder on the #2 rebounding team in the nation from a weird position at thats the thing that made Houston elite and different. You don't replace that, there team DNA and identity will be completely different.

Not on the same page with Jonesy very often, but I think he is dead on here. The rebounding is what killed us at Houston. Hinton was an animal on the offensive boards. This will be hard to replace.

hinton was an animal on the board..but his freshman year he wasnt that major on the board and we mercilessly outrebounded everyone that year, hinton wasnt on the team the year before we mercilessly rebounded everyone

hinton got in foul trouble extremely badly versus uconn and barely got any miutes, we still mercilessly out rebounded uconn, and dejon got 11 rebounds

8 out of 10 hinton rebounds will just go to a different player, we'll lose 2 rebounds but in the bigger picture we'll be fine

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - StillJonesing - 05-19-2020 09:45 AM

(05-19-2020 09:37 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 07:41 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  You can still feel confident in the guard unit but also recognize the team’s ceiling just fell. Hinton was your best player.

Oh and Mark is no longer the highest ranked recruit - Rivals put Tari Eason at 54. That makes two straight classes that Brannen brought in a top 60 recruit.

hinton was going to be our leader and captain.. he was not going to be our best player, it would have been mills or grimes..

and i was using composite rankings, mark is the highest there

This is nuts, you can't even identify the best player own your on team and the biggest key to your success. That was clearly Hinton last year, and he was undoubtedly the biggest reason Houston was successful, tops in all the advanced stats, tops in value added etc etc. He might be the best player in the AAC returning and was certainly in the top 2 or 3. It's pretty ridiculous we are even having a conversation where you think you got better losing him or how guards that average 7 rebounds per 100 possessions replace one that basically led the nation from the wing position at 17 per 100 when rebounding was Houston's identity and what actually made them special and he was nearly all of that extra value.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - J Coog - 05-19-2020 09:50 AM

(05-19-2020 09:42 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 09:14 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

No $hit 03-lmfao . Hinton was one of the top 2 or 3 players returning in the league by any metric, and clearly the key to their dominate rebounding getting 8.7rpg as a freaking wing. Rebounding was the thing they stood out in the most by a mile on their team as elite (Houston #2 in the nation in rebound rate) and was the driving forces in their dominance and he was the main part if not all of that of that clearly was Hinton getting out of position boards like a madman and being the best rebounder on the team. These guards like Mills and Sasser he is talking about replacing him and the most important thing he does for Houston and the biggest reason why they were so good is nonsense. Any center replacing what he did would have to be about the best rebounder in the nation to make it up too. It's a huge loss for Houston and the league.

Rebounds per 100 possessions

Hinton 17.2
Grimes 7.9
Mills 7.0
Sasser 6.1

There is no replacing what he really did for that team because there aren't but a few other wings that even rebound like that. He was the elite #1 rebounder on the #2 rebounding team in the nation from a weird position at thats the thing that made Houston elite and different. You don't replace that, there team DNA and identity will be completely different.

Not on the same page with Jonesy very often, but I think he is dead on here. The rebounding is what killed us at Houston. Hinton was an animal on the offensive boards. This will be hard to replace.

hinton was an animal on the board..but his freshman year he wasnt that major on the board and we mercilessly outrebounded everyone that year, hinton wasnt on the team the year before we mercilessly rebounded everyone

hinton got in foul trouble extremely badly versus uconn and barely got any miutes, we still mercilessly out rebounded uconn, and dejon got 11 rebounds

8 out of 10 hinton rebounds will just go to a different player, we'll lose 2 rebounds but in the bigger picture we'll be fine

You kind of convinced me on the rebounding. However, it is a huge loss in the culture/chemistry department. Sampson absolutely can fix that, but it may mean culture cement hardens a month or six weeks into the season instead of hitting the ground running. Kind of like this year.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-19-2020 09:53 AM

(05-19-2020 08:48 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 08:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Only pesik can turn Hinton staying in the draft into a positive for Houston...

No $hit 03-lmfao . Hinton was one of the top 2 or 3 players returning in the league by any metric, and clearly the key to their dominate rebounding getting 8.7rpg as a freaking wing. Rebounding was the thing they stood out in the most by a mile on their team as elite (Houston #2 in the nation in rebound rate) and was the driving forces in their dominance and he was the main part if not all of that of that clearly was Hinton getting out of position boards like a madman and being the best rebounder on the team. These guards like Mills and Sasser he is talking about replacing him and the most important thing he does for Houston and the biggest reason why they were so good is nonsense. Any center replacing what he did would have to be about the best rebounder in the nation to make it up too. It's a huge loss for Houston and the league.

Rebounds per 100 possessions

Hinton 17.2
Grimes 7.9
Mills 7.0
Sasser 6.1

There is no replacing what he really did for that team because there aren't but a few other wings that even rebound like that. He was the elite #1 rebounder on the #2 rebounding team in the nation from a weird position at thats the thing that made Houston elite and different. You don't replace that, there team DNA and identity will be completely different.

you realize we were elite at rebounding before hinton..
2 season ago we start 6'1, 6'1, 6'3 6'7 and 6'8...and were top 3 rebounding nationally

we will be 6'3, 6'5, 6'5, 6'8, 6'8 next year (the 4star we got is 6'6 combo guard)....the idea that we are going to be a bad rebounding team without hinton is odd

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - invisiblehand - 05-19-2020 09:54 AM

Hinton is certainly an important loss. I'm not sure he's irreplaceable though. Sampson does a lot of pretty intense drills to emphasize offensive rebounding, steals, and getting on loose balls. In all honesty, I'm surprised Houston doesn't have more injuries prior to / during the season considering the nature of these drills. Sampson is definitely going to need his older forwards to step up this season though.





RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - StillJonesing - 05-19-2020 09:57 AM

Returning players Rank in Win Shares conference only

1...2.7...Nate Hinton Houston
2...2.1...Keith Williams Cincinnati
3...2.2...Kendric Davis SMU
4...2.0...Jayden Gardner ECU
4...2.0...Isiah Mike SMU
6...1.9...Justin Brown USF
7...1.8...Tristen Newton ECU
7...1.8...Marcus Sasser Houston
7...1.8...Tyson Jolly SMU
10...1.7...Caleb Mills Houston
10...1.7...Chris Vogt Cincinnati
10...1.7...Fabian White Houston
10...1.7...Dexter Dennis, WSU
14...1.6...Lester Quinones Memphis
14...1.6...Darien Jackson Tulsa
16...1.4...Darrin Green UCF
17...1.3...Dejon Jarreau Houston
17...1.3...Elijah Joiner Tulsa
17...1.3...Quentin Grimes Houston
17...1.3...Michael Durr, USF
17...1.3...Trey Wade WSU
17....1.3...Nate Pierre-Lewis Temple
17....1.3...Feron Hunt SMU
24...1.2...Collin Smith UCF
24....1.2...Brandon Rachael Tulsa
26...1.1...Brison Gresham Houston
27...1.0... Brandon Mahan UCF
28....0.9...David Collins USF
28....0.9...Tyler Harris Memphis
30....0.8...Mamoudou Diarra Cincinnati
30....0.8...Mika Adams-Woods Cincinnati
30....0.8...Boogie Ellis Memphis
30....0.8...Brandon Suggs ECU
34....0.7...Ethan Chargois SMU
34....0.7...KJ Lawson Tulane
34....0.7...Lance Thomas Memphis
34....0.7...Alex Lomax Memphis
34....0.7...Emmanuel Bandoumel SMU

PER conference only

1....22.4 Jayden Gardner ECU
2....21.4 Isiah Mike SMU
3....19.9 Nate Hinton Houston
4....19.6 Tristen Newton ECU
5....19.3 Kendric Davis SMU
6....18.9 Keith Williams Cincinnati
7....18.7 Mamoudou Diarra Cincinnati
8....18.4 Collin Smith UCF
9....18.2 Caleb Mills Houston
10..18.1 Darrin Green UCF
11...17.8 Feron Hunt SMU
12...17.6 Chris Vogt Cincinnati
13...17.0 Tyson Jolly SMU
14...16.9 Dexter Dennis WSU
15...16.9 Madut Akec USF
16...16.6 Fabian White Houston
17...16.3 Michael Durr, USF
18...16.2 Justin Brown USF
19...15.7 Dejon Jarreau Houston
20...15.2 Brison Gresham Houston
21...14.9 Darien Jackson Tulsa
22...14.6 Teshaun Hightower Tulane
23...14.5 Nate Pierre-Louis Temple
24...14.4 Marcus Sasser Houston
25...14.2 Brandon Mahan UCF
26...14.0 Trey Wade WSU
27...13.9 Brandon Suggs ECU
28...13.8 Ethan Chargois SMU
29...13.7 Malcolm Dandridge, Memphis
30...13.3 Quentin Grimes Houston
31...13.2 Brandon Rachael Tulsa
32...12.8 KJ Lawson Tulane
33...12.7 Jordan Walker Tulane
34...12.7 Jake Forrester Temple
35...12.5 Lester Quinones Memphis
36...12.3 De'Vondre Perry Temple
37...12.2 Tyler Harris Memphis
38...12.2 Tyson Eteinne WSU
39...12.0 Elijah Joiner Tulsa
40...11.9 Lance Thomas Memphis

He was even better statistically OOC too...

Totally addition by subtraction, nothing to see here 07-coffee3

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-19-2020 09:58 AM

(05-19-2020 09:50 AM)J Coog Wrote:  You kind of convinced me on the rebounding. However, it is a huge loss in the culture/chemistry department. Sampson absolutely can fix that, but it may mean culture cement hardens a month or six weeks into the season instead of hitting the ground running. Kind of like this year.

this is where i see the loss to.. not so much chemistry our players love each other

but we have had some fiery/energy player every year that has emotional carried the team
it was corey , then he passsed the candle to nate..we dont have that next year all out other players are quiet .. im not worried about replacing hintons stats but more his energy

if we can use his scholly on a big need basis we might even be stronger

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - invisiblehand - 05-19-2020 10:00 AM

(05-18-2020 04:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  sit one play 2
Could be a waiver candidate since his coach got fired.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - pesik - 05-19-2020 10:02 AM

UCF's Darin Green Jr. has withdrawn from the 2020 NBA Draft and will return to school next season.

RE: *** Basketball News Thread (Part 4) *** - BraveKnight - 05-19-2020 10:23 AM

(05-19-2020 10:02 AM)pesik Wrote:  UCF's Darin Green Jr. has withdrawn from the 2020 NBA Draft and will return to school next season.
Thank god.