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AAC Top 4 final 4 - doss2 - 02-24-2019 10:26 PM
UH 13-1 @#11 ECU, #3 UCF, #9 SMU, @ #2 UC
UC 12-2 @#9 SMU, #5 MEM, @#3 UCF, #1 UH
UCF 10-4 @#6 USF, @#1 UH, #2 UC, @#4 TEM
TEM 10-4 @#5 MEM, #12 TULANE, @#10 UCONN, #3 UCF
Temple has the easiest route, then UH, then UC, then UCF.
The final game of UH v UC hopefully is for #1
The final game of UCF @ Temple may decide #3 and #4
Man the scheduler really nailed this.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - BrooklynRocket - 02-25-2019 07:00 AM
If UCF loses this week @USF then I think that puts them on the fast track for the 4/5 seed and put a huge dent in their NCAA hopes. If UCF wins and Temple loses @Memphis then their final match-up on 3/9 will likely have a lot more at stake.
Obviously it's either win or settle for a 2 seed for UC.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - JPBearcat3 - 02-25-2019 07:54 AM
Too lazy to look it up...
For the sake of argument, let's assume UC wins out and UH wins everything but the game here at 5/3.
What are the tie-breakers?
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - bearcatlawjd2 - 02-25-2019 07:59 AM
(02-25-2019 07:54 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: Too lazy to look it up...
For the sake of argument, let's assume UC wins out and UH wins everything but the game here at 5/3.
What are the tie-breakers?
Cats are the one seed. Go down the standing and UC’s record versus Temple is better.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - Def Berkkat - 02-25-2019 09:05 AM
We're beating Houston at home.
That's our senior day and Houston's not as good outside of their little cracker box gym.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - Jchuges7 - 02-25-2019 09:38 AM
(02-25-2019 09:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote: We're beating Houston at home.
That's our senior day and Houston's not as good outside of their little cracker box gym.
I agree. Sadly I think it will be a poor March for the AAC again. I have a feeling that Houston will be like the Cats last year and not make it out of the opening weekend.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - CliftonAve - 02-25-2019 09:41 AM
(02-25-2019 09:38 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:(02-25-2019 09:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote: We're beating Houston at home.
That's our senior day and Houston's not as good outside of their little cracker box gym.
I agree. Sadly I think it will be a poor March for the AAC again. I have a feeling that Houston will be like the Cats last year and not make it out of the opening weekend.
Probably...
One possibility though is that due to underseeding, one or more of these AAC schools is going to upset somebody. It will happen eventually.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - vabearcat - 02-25-2019 01:17 PM
(02-25-2019 09:38 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:(02-25-2019 09:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote: We're beating Houston at home.
That's our senior day and Houston's not as good outside of their little cracker box gym.
I agree. Sadly I think it will be a poor March for the AAC again. I have a feeling that Houston will be like the Cats last year and not make it out of the opening weekend.
Disagree. UC will have its hands full beating Houston in the final regular season game. But Houston is an elite team. They will make some real noise in the NCAA tournament. They have an excellent coach, and he has slowly but surely built a winning culture there. I also think he is recruiting at a level that will enable UH to sustain their success, thus giving this Conference, along with UC, Memphis, UConn, Temple and Wichita, a very competitive future. I'm also not ruling out UCF and USF. Gregory definitely has USF trending in the right direction, and they will bring everybody back next year.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - TheShoeFits - 02-25-2019 02:36 PM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25379665/circle-games-final-two-weeks
Only 4 games listed.
"Power Rankings: Circle these games over the final two weeks"
Houston at Cincinnati (March 10): The Cougars don't and won't have the profile of some of the other teams in this discussion, but one can consider how high they might go. If they are able to run the table -- including winning at Cincinnati on the final day of the regular season -- and then win the conference tournament, they're likely going to end the season with a 33-1 record, a top-five NET and 18 wins against Quadrant 1 and 2 teams.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - Jchuges7 - 02-25-2019 03:25 PM
(02-25-2019 01:17 PM)vabearcat Wrote:(02-25-2019 09:38 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:(02-25-2019 09:05 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote: We're beating Houston at home.
That's our senior day and Houston's not as good outside of their little cracker box gym.
I agree. Sadly I think it will be a poor March for the AAC again. I have a feeling that Houston will be like the Cats last year and not make it out of the opening weekend.
Disagree. UC will have its hands full beating Houston in the final regular season game. But Houston is an elite team. They will make some real noise in the NCAA tournament. They have an excellent coach, and he has slowly but surely built a winning culture there. I also think he is recruiting at a level that will enable UH to sustain their success, thus giving this Conference, along with UC, Memphis, UConn, Temple and Wichita, a very competitive future. I'm also not ruling out UCF and USF. Gregory definitely has USF trending in the right direction, and they will bring everybody back next year.
I would have said the same thing about the Bearcats last year. No disrespect to Houston, they are a great team, they just don't seem to have that spark to put them over the edge to make a deep run.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - Bearcats#1 - 02-25-2019 03:26 PM
(02-24-2019 10:26 PM)doss2 Wrote: UH 13-1 @#11 ECU, #3 UCF, #9 SMU, @ #2 UC
UC 12-2 @#9 SMU, #5 MEM, @#3 UCF, #1 UH
UCF 10-4 @#6 USF, @#1 UH, #2 UC, @#4 TEM
TEM 10-4 @#5 MEM, #12 TULANE, @#10 UCONN, #3 UCF
Temple has the easiest route, then UH, then UC, then UCF.
The final game of UH v UC hopefully is for #1
The final game of UCF @ Temple may decide #3 and #4
Man the scheduler really nailed this.
Thanks for posting, Doss. Or, at least hiring someone to post this for you. Nice job.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - Mademen - 02-26-2019 12:20 PM
(02-25-2019 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:(02-25-2019 07:54 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: Too lazy to look it up...
For the sake of argument, let's assume UC wins out and UH wins everything but the game here at 5/3.
What are the tie-breakers?
Cats are the one seed. Go down the standing and UC’s record versus Temple is better.
This actually is not the case. The tie breaker comes down to record in games played against another team where both teams had the opportunity to earn the same record. UC only played Temple once and UH played them twice. Both teams will have played ECU twice once the Cougars play them on Wednesday. If both teams win out, UH will earn the #1 seed before the UC game by virtue of a 2-0 record vs ECU while UC is 1-1.
"Two-Team Tie
1. Regular season head-to-head results (one or two games). If the tied teams split their two games, then proceed to Step 2.
2. Each teamâs record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
i. Most wins do prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-1
ii. Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-1 2) Team A 2-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-0
iii. Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-0 2) Team A 0-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
c. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison."
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - bearcatmark - 02-26-2019 12:47 PM
(02-26-2019 12:20 PM)Mademen Wrote:(02-25-2019 07:59 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:(02-25-2019 07:54 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote: Too lazy to look it up...
For the sake of argument, let's assume UC wins out and UH wins everything but the game here at 5/3.
What are the tie-breakers?
Cats are the one seed. Go down the standing and UC’s record versus Temple is better.
This actually is not the case. The tie breaker comes down to record in games played against another team where both teams had the opportunity to earn the same record. UC only played Temple once and UH played them twice. Both teams will have played ECU twice once the Cougars play them on Wednesday. If both teams win out, UH will earn the #1 seed before the UC game by virtue of a 2-0 record vs ECU while UC is 1-1.
"Two-Team Tie
1. Regular season head-to-head results (one or two games). If the tied teams split their two games, then proceed to Step 2.
2. Each teamâs record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings. Continue down through the standings until one team gains an advantage. When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken), the following may apply:
a. If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails.
b. If the games played against the team or group are unequal, the following scenarios apply:
i. Most wins do prevail only if the team with fewer wins could not equal that win total if they played the same number of games. Two examples of many scenarios that do provide an advantage:
1) Team A 2-0 2) Team A 3-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-1
ii. Most wins do not prevail if the team with fewer wins could equal or surpass the win total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-1 2) Team A 2-0
Team B 0-1 Team B 1-0
iii. Fewer losses do not prevail if the teams have the same number of wins and if the team with fewer games could equal or surpass the loss total of the other team. Two examples of many scenarios that do not provide an advantage:
1) Team A 1-0 2) Team A 0-1
Team B 1-1 Team B 0-2
c. If an advantage is not determined, proceed to the next team or group in the standings for comparison."
Actually UC would be 0-1 against ECU, but you are right. Houston would win the tiebreaker by virtue of 2-0 against ECU because of that unequal games criteria.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - liebermans - 02-26-2019 12:49 PM
(02-26-2019 12:20 PM)Mademen Wrote: Both teams will have played ECU twice once the Cougars play them on Wednesday. If both teams win out, UH will earn the #1 seed before the UC game by virtue of a 2-0 record vs ECU while UC is 1-1.
UC will have only played ECU once, so the team that matters will be Temple and the rules that matters are, a)"Each team's record vs. the team or tied teams occupying the highest position in the standings." AKA Temple and b) "If the games played against the team or group are equal, winning percentage prevails."
UC would be the 1 seed.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - bearcatlawjd2 - 02-26-2019 01:05 PM
Honestly the two seed is s better draw. Avoids the noon game, Memphis is likely the 5 seed. UCF could be the 4
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - converrl - 02-26-2019 03:13 PM
Beat UH for tourney seeding, or lose the protected seed. It's that simple.
It would also be the 1st time we've beaten a ranked team on our schedule.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - vabearcat - 02-26-2019 04:23 PM
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Beat UH for tourney seeding, or lose the protected seed. It's that simple.
Don't understand this "protected seed" narrative in the NCAA tourney. You still need to beat teams. How did UC's "protected seed" work out last year.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - bearcatlawjd2 - 02-26-2019 04:37 PM
UC can still beat Houston and get the two seed in the conference tournament. I don’t see the Bearcats earning a four unless they finish with 30 wins. Even with a four seed your are looking at playing far from home.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - converrl - 02-27-2019 01:39 PM
(02-26-2019 04:23 PM)vabearcat Wrote:(02-26-2019 03:13 PM)converrl Wrote: Beat UH for tourney seeding, or lose the protected seed. It's that simple.Don't understand this "protected seed" narrative in the NCAA tourney. You still need to beat teams. How did UC's "protected seed" work out last year.
It's easy...over the history of the NCAA, high seeds advance further on average than low seeds...thus you perform during the regular season to garner a high (protected) seed. It's not assurance of a deep run, but it increases the likelihood.
RE: AAC Top 4 final 4 - Lush - 02-27-2019 02:04 PM
the only game that doesn't scare me is houston. a loss wouldn't be surprising. i say the bearcats go two and one leading up to houston. a twenty point win somewhere here would be pleasant