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Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - DavidSt - 08-24-2018 02:21 PM I was reading threads on here about schools who are very large who are not at the highest level with or without football. I break this down into 4 groups. Group 1:30,000 and above enrollments. Group 2:20,000 to 29,999 enrollment. Group 3:10,000 to 19,999 enrollment. Group 4:6000 to 9,999 enrollment of private and any public schools that could hit 10,000 enrollment mark in a few years. Group 1:30,000 + Wichita State AAC British Columbia NAIA and USport UTA SBC Kennesaw State A-Sun George Mason A-10 VCU A10 Fullerton State Big West Northridge State Big West Long Beach State big West UC-Dais Big West/Big Sky UC-Irvine Big West UC-San Diego Big West IUPUI Horizon Milwaukee Horizon Illinois-Chicago Horizon Grand Canyon U. WAC UTRGV WAC Utah Valley WAC San Francisco State D2 NYU D3 Toronto USport Group 2: Northern Arizona Big Sky Portland State big Sky Sacramento State Big Sky Weber State Big Sky Delaware CAA Drexel CAA James Madison CAA Northeastern CAA Towson CAA Columbia Ivy Cornell Ivy Harvard Ivy Penn. Ivy Illinois State MVFC Missouri State MVFC Stony Brook CAA/A10 George Washington A10 DePaul Big East St. John's, NY Big East Cal. Poly SLO Big Sky/Big West UC-Riverside Big West UC-Santa Barbara Big West Oakland Horizon Sam Houston State Cal. Poly-Pomona D2 CSU-L.A. D2 Grand Valley State D2 Wayne State, Mich. D2 Could reach 30,000 in a few years. Metro State D2 Nova Southeastern D2 UT-Dallas D3 Looking to make a move to D2. Johns Hopkins D3 Hunter D3 Group 3: Little Rock SBC Eastern Washington Big Sky Idaho Big Sky Idaho State Big Sky Montana Big Sky Montana State Big Sky Northern Colorado Big Sky College of Charleston CAA Hofstra CAA UNC-Wilmington CAA Yale Ivy Howard MEAC Florida A&M MEAC North Carolina A&T MEAC North Carolina Central MEAC Northern Iowa MVFC South Dakota MVFC Indiana State MVFC North Dakota State MVFC South Dakota State MVFC Southern Illinois MVFC Western Illinois MVFC Youngstown State MVFC Central Connecticut State NEC LIU NEC Austin Peay State OVC Eastern Kentucky OVC Morehead State OVC Murray State OVC SE Missouri State OVC Southern Illinois-Edwardsille OVC Tennessee Tech OVC Tennessee State OVC Boston U. Patriot Dayton A10 Chattanooga Southern East Tennessee State Southern UNC-Greensboro Southern Western Carolina Southern Central Arkansas Incarnate Word Lamar SE Louisiana SFA Texas A&M-Corpus Christie Jackson State SWAC Prairie View SWAC Texas Southern SWAC Albany CAA/AEC Binghamton AEC Maine CAA/AEC UMBC AEC UMass.-Lowell AEC New Hampshire CAA/AEC Vermont AEC FGCU ASun NJIT ASun North Florida ASun Duquense A10 Fordham A10 URI A10 Saint Louis A10 Georgetown Big East/Patriot Marquette Big East Villinova Big East/CAA Cleveland State Horizon Northern Kentucky Horizon Wright State Horizon Loyola-Chicago MVC Denver Summit Omaha Summit PUFW Summit San Francisco WCC UMKC WAC Chico State D2 CSU-Dominguez Hills D2 CSU-East Bay D2 CSU-San Bernardino D2 CSU-San Marcos D2 Mercy D2 NY Tech D2 sports have been suspended for a short period. Not sure why yet. Queens D2 Arkansas Tech D2 Davenport D2 Ferris State D2 Purdue NW D2 Alaska-Anchorage D2 Central Washington D2 Western Washington D2 Valdosta State D2 West Florida D2 West Georgia D2 Angelo State D2 Tarleton State D2 Texas A&M-Commerce D2 Texas Women's D2 West Texas A&M D2 Central Missouri D2 Central Oklahoma D2 Fort Hays State D2 Pace D2 Southern Conn. State D2 Southern New Hampshire D2 Minn. State-Mankato D2 Minn.-Duluth D2 St. Cloud State D2 Academy of Art D2 North Georgia D2 Indiana, Pa. D2 Kutztown D2 West Chester D2 Colorado Mesa D2 Colorado-Colorado Springs D2 Dixie State D2 Buruch D3 CCNY D3 John Jay Criminal of Law D3 Lehman D3 Brooklyn D3' Staten Island D3 Johnson and Wales D3 Suffolk D3 UC-Santa Cruz D3 RIT UMass.-Boston Southern Maine MIT Montclair State Rutgers-Newark William Paterson Kean Rowan Buffalo State Carnegie Mellon Case Western Resere Emory U. of Chicago Washington, Mo. Wis-Eau Claire Wis.-Oshkosh Wis.Whitewater Indiana Wesleyan NAIA Bellevue NAIA Victoria NAIa/USport Savannah College of Art and Design NAIA Group 4: Campbell Big South Radford Elon CAA Brown Dartmouth Princeton FDU Sacred Heart Belmont Jacksonville State American U. Jacksonville Marist Mercer Hartdford La Salle Richmond St. Joseph's, PA. Creighton Seton Hall Xavier CSU-Bakersfield Monmouth, NJ. Quinnipiac McNeese State New Orleans NW Louisiana State Gonzaga Loyola Marymount Pacific Pepperdine San Diego Santa Clara California Baptist Seattle U. CSU-Stanislous (sp) D2 Post U. Harding Ashland Saginaw Valley Lewis U. S. Indiana Truman State Alaska Western Oregon UAH Texas A&M-Kingsville Lindenwood NE Oklahoma State Washburn Adelphi New Haven U. Iowa Azusa Pacific Hawaii Pacific Augusta Columbus State Bloomsburg California, PA. Edinboro Millersville Shippensburg Slippery Rock Regis Barry Emory Riddle-Florida Florida Tech Tampa Salisbury U. of New England D3 New Rochelle Ithaca Rhode Island College UMass.-Dartmouth Widener St. Thomas Minn. Lesley Farmingdale State Yeshiva Chapman SUNY-New Paltz SUNY-Oswego Rochester Wis.-La Crosse Wis.-Stevens Point Wis.-Stout UC-Merced S. Oregon NAIA Governors State Indiana-South Bend Roosevelt Georgia Gwinnett Middle Georgia State Mich.-Dearborn As we look at this list, the schools with more than 30,000 students might be able to support an FBS football team. When schools like the Big West schools dropped football? They did not have the students enrolled at the time to support football like they do today. Some of the schools could use stadiums close by. CSU-Domiguez Hills do hae an on campus stadium that was built for soccer. The cash to built the stadium was helped by the donations from the city and from the pro-soccer team that went there. Several schools on this list have been looking at adding football. UNF could use the pro stadium in Jacksonville. Which schools on this list looks good to expand with? I say Wayne State Michigan to the Horizon looks like a perfect fit. They could park their football in MVFC with Youngstown State. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - TexasTerror - 08-24-2018 02:28 PM Which FBS league is Sam Houston State in? They have 21,000+ students now! RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Kittonhead - 08-24-2018 02:49 PM David I'd say the size test starts at 25,000 and also must include access to a 20,000 seat stadium. 25,000 sounds like a high bar but these schools are considering distance learners and grad students in these totals. Undergrad FTE is probably in the 16k-17k range. There is seemingly an endless amount of large Texas schools out there. California has big schools but not the culture for FBS programs. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - DavidSt - 08-24-2018 03:04 PM Okay. I updated the list. I somehow skipped the Southland schools. Some of the schools are not 25,000 yet, but they do have access to a 20,000 seat stadium. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Lord Stanley - 08-24-2018 03:09 PM It would be cool if UWM, UIC, DePaul and Illinois State all had FBS football. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - quo vadis - 08-24-2018 03:33 PM (08-24-2018 03:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: It would be cool if UWM, UIC, DePaul and Illinois State all had FBS football. DavidST's list is a list of the lucky schools, the schools whose students aren't being soaked with high fees to support a football team that the school itself won't naturally support (i.e., pay for) with user fees. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Captain Bearcat - 08-24-2018 03:59 PM (08-24-2018 03:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: It would be cool if UWM, UIC, DePaul and Illinois State all had FBS football. Those schools are in basketball country. Basketball has always been more popular than football in Illinois/Indiana, and nowadays football is losing popularity. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - DavidSt - 08-24-2018 04:32 PM (08-24-2018 03:59 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:(08-24-2018 03:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: It would be cool if UWM, UIC, DePaul and Illinois State all had FBS football. But, there is a big chance that you could not make it on a basketball team. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - TexanMark - 08-24-2018 04:45 PM NYU 29k+ undergraduate 25k graduate/professional Think you missed the Violets RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - AZcats - 08-24-2018 04:46 PM Quote:NY Tech D2 sports have been suspended for a short period. Not sure why yet. Show a source for this statement. The women's volleyball team played yesterday and today (Aug 23-24). RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Scoochpooch1 - 08-24-2018 05:56 PM (08-24-2018 04:45 PM)TexanMark Wrote: NYU 29k+ undergraduate Isn't it just Violet? RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Scoochpooch1 - 08-24-2018 05:56 PM (08-24-2018 04:46 PM)AZcats Wrote:Quote:NY Tech D2 sports have been suspended for a short period. Not sure why yet. NY Tech is having financial difficulties and is focusing on saving the school, not sports. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Scoochpooch1 - 08-24-2018 05:57 PM (08-24-2018 03:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(08-24-2018 03:09 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: It would be cool if UWM, UIC, DePaul and Illinois State all had FBS football. Absolutely true. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - dbackjon - 08-24-2018 06:11 PM (08-24-2018 05:56 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:(08-24-2018 04:46 PM)AZcats Wrote:Quote:NY Tech D2 sports have been suspended for a short period. Not sure why yet. You are talking about NYIT? RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - joeben69 - 08-24-2018 06:38 PM In California... UC & CSU systems... The non-fb CA schools are a no go...state budget issues...football was dropped at these schools for a reason...it's not coming back anytime soon In San Diego... SDSU already FBS...Mountain West Conference USD happy at FCS...Pioneer Football League (non-scholly) UCSD going DI non-football ---> Big West Conference (2020) RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - joeben69 - 08-24-2018 06:38 PM In California... UC & CSU systems... The non-fb CA schools are a no go...state budget issues...football was dropped at these schools for a reason...it's not coming back anytime soon... In San Diego... SDSU already FBS...Mountain West Conference USD happy at FCS...Pioneer Football League (non-scholly) UCSD going DI non-football ---> Big West Conference (2020) RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - DavidSt - 08-24-2018 08:06 PM (08-24-2018 06:38 PM)joeben69 Wrote: In California... Not sure. The time the California schools dropped football, many of them were under 10,000 students. Now, many of them are above that or larger. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - Nerdlinger - 08-24-2018 08:30 PM (08-24-2018 06:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(08-24-2018 05:56 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:(08-24-2018 04:46 PM)AZcats Wrote:Quote:NY Tech D2 sports have been suspended for a short period. Not sure why yet. Regardless of their actual names, Davey thinks all tech schools should be branded like research giant Arkansas Tech. Who wants to sound like some garbage school such as MIT? RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - AZcats - 08-24-2018 08:46 PM (08-24-2018 06:11 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(08-24-2018 05:56 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:(08-24-2018 04:46 PM)AZcats Wrote:Quote:NY Tech D2 sports have been suspended for a short period. Not sure why yet. David listed the school as "NY Tech D2" and I interpret that as "NYIT", seems to be a logical deduction. About the finance statement, I did google searches for 'financial difficulties' inserting the different forms of the school name. With 'NYIT' inserted, nothing was found. With 'NY Tech' inserted, a 1.5 year-old article about The Met Museum and a 2.5 year-old article about the CUNY system is found. NYIT is private and Queens College is the only D2 school in the CUNY system. Queens College did drop Fencing and Men's Swim & Dive after the 2017-18 season. What is the source for the enrollment numbers? David has NY Tech D2/NYIT as over 10,000 students. The 'NYIT at a Glance' page on the school site shows "Full-Time Students, Fall 2017 (all campuses): 6,334". Yes, that's only full-time students and they have 7 campuses. I doubt they get any athletic fees from students at campuses not in New York. Old Westbury, N.Y. (main campus) New York, N.Y. Abu Dhabi, UAE Beijing, China Nanjing, China Vancouver, Canada Jonesboro, Ark. RE: Large Schools Who Are Not FBS Or Football Yet - AZcats - 08-24-2018 08:52 PM (08-24-2018 08:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(08-24-2018 06:38 PM)joeben69 Wrote: In California... Enrollment may be up but that doesn't mean the state budget issues have gone away. |