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Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - WoodlandsOwl - 01-27-2008 10:36 AM
Bill Clinton kinda put his foot in his mouth last night, dismissing Obama's victory in South Carolina as "so what" since Jesse Jackson did it as well when he ran for President.
This is again kinda upset Democrat African-Americans, who are still not over the "Fairy tale" and MLK related remarks by both Bill and Hillary.
Move forward to Febraury 5, Fat Super Tuesday... 24 states on the line.
Expect Bill and the Hillary Campaign Operatives to pull no punches to beat Obama, especially in California, Illinois, and New York. Their tactics will no doubt piss off the Obama supporters and may once again include some racially charged remarks.
Who knows.. maybe both Hillary and Obama will not have enough delegates for a first ballot nomination. A brokered Democratic Convention with Hillary as the nominee won't go well in the Afriican American community. Obama won't take VP. They can't stand each other according to the media.
I pity any "VP" running mate of Hillary, because we all know that Bill will be defacto VP. "Clinton Inc. rides again."
But I'm curious.. at what point after dealing with the garbage and sleeze of the Clintons do the African Americans say "Enough"??
Do they stay home in November to teach Hillary a lesson? I don't see them voting for any Republican.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - RobertN - 01-27-2008 12:31 PM
WMD Owl Wrote:Bill Clinton kinda put his foot in his mouth last night, dismissing Obama's victory in South Carolina as "so what" since Jesse Jackson did it as well when he ran for President.I think last night in SC showed they had enough.
This is again kinda upset Democrat African-Americans, who are still not over the "Fairy tale" and MLK related remarks by both Bill and Hillary.
Move forward to Febraury 5, Fat Super Tuesday... 24 states on the line.
Expect Bill and the Hillary Campaign Operatives to pull no punches to beat Obama, especially in California, Illinois, and New York. Their tactics will no doubt piss off the Obama supporters and may once again include some racially charged remarks.
Who knows.. maybe both Hillary and Obama will not have enough delegates for a first ballot nomination. A brokered Democratic Convention with Hillary as the nominee won't go well in the Afriican American community. Obama won't take VP. They can't stand each other according to the media.
I pity any "VP" running mate of Hillary, because we all know that Bill will be defacto VP. "Clinton Inc. rides again."
But I'm curious.. at what point after dealing with the garbage and sleeze of the Clintons do the African Americans say "Enough"??
Do they stay home in November to teach Hillary a lesson? I don't see them voting for any Republican.
BTW it is now being reported that Ted Kennedy is supporting Barack Obama. IT helps but Barack needs to keep is distance because Kennedy is obviously an insider.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - OUGwave - 01-27-2008 12:46 PM
RobertN Wrote:WMD Owl Wrote:Bill Clinton kinda put his foot in his mouth last night, dismissing Obama's victory in South Carolina as "so what" since Jesse Jackson did it as well when he ran for President.I think last night in SC showed they had enough.
This is again kinda upset Democrat African-Americans, who are still not over the "Fairy tale" and MLK related remarks by both Bill and Hillary.
Move forward to Febraury 5, Fat Super Tuesday... 24 states on the line.
Expect Bill and the Hillary Campaign Operatives to pull no punches to beat Obama, especially in California, Illinois, and New York. Their tactics will no doubt piss off the Obama supporters and may once again include some racially charged remarks.
Who knows.. maybe both Hillary and Obama will not have enough delegates for a first ballot nomination. A brokered Democratic Convention with Hillary as the nominee won't go well in the Afriican American community. Obama won't take VP. They can't stand each other according to the media.
I pity any "VP" running mate of Hillary, because we all know that Bill will be defacto VP. "Clinton Inc. rides again."
But I'm curious.. at what point after dealing with the garbage and sleeze of the Clintons do the African Americans say "Enough"??
Do they stay home in November to teach Hillary a lesson? I don't see them voting for any Republican.
BTW it is now being reported that Ted Kennedy is supporting Barack Obama. IT helps but Barack needs to keep is distance because Kennedy is obviously an insider.
Kennedy is not seen as an insider in a bad way -- he's still seen as an idealist because he has tended to act like one, because he challenged Carter in '80, because his last name is Kennedy, etc.
Believe me, he should not want any distance there. Teddy is a very respected establishment figure who's stamp of approval would lend credibility to Obama in the eyes of those who still have concerns about "experience"
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - OUGwave - 01-27-2008 12:48 PM
Let me also point out that its pretty disingenuous for someone who continuously refers to Obama by the name Hussein to start complaining about the Clinton's use of racially charged language.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - blah - 01-27-2008 01:53 PM
WMD Owl Wrote:Bill Clinton kinda put his foot in his mouth last night, dismissing Obama's victory in South Carolina as "so what" since Jesse Jackson did it as well when he ran for President.
This is again kinda upset Democrat African-Americans, who are still not over the "Fairy tale" and MLK related remarks by both Bill and Hillary.
Move forward to Febraury 5, Fat Super Tuesday... 24 states on the line.
Expect Bill and the Hillary Campaign Operatives to pull no punches to beat Obama, especially in California, Illinois, and New York. Their tactics will no doubt piss off the Obama supporters and may once again include some racially charged remarks.
Who knows.. maybe both Hillary and Obama will not have enough delegates for a first ballot nomination. A brokered Democratic Convention with Hillary as the nominee won't go well in the Afriican American community. Obama won't take VP. They can't stand each other according to the media.
I pity any "VP" running mate of Hillary, because we all know that Bill will be defacto VP. "Clinton Inc. rides again."
But I'm curious.. at what point after dealing with the garbage and sleeze of the Clintons do the African Americans say "Enough"??
Do they stay home in November to teach Hillary a lesson? I don't see them voting for any Republican.
What makes you think African Americans are all of a sudden going to wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak? They have continued to support a party that hasn't done anything for them in my lifetime, why should they stop now? Hispanics and to a lesser extent African Americans, could have a lot of power to decide many issues if they rallied together behind one voice (i.e. not racists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton). For an example, look at the Christian coalition and the amount of power that they wield within the Republican party.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - WoodlandsOwl - 01-27-2008 05:41 PM
blah Wrote:What makes you think African Americans are all of a sudden going to wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak? They have continued to support a party that hasn't done anything for them in my lifetime, why should they stop now? Hispanics and to a lesser extent African Americans, could have a lot of power to decide many issues if they rallied together behind one voice (i.e. not racists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton). For an example, look at the Christian coalition and the amount of power that they wield within the Republican party.
When the political equivalent of this happens to Obama and his supporters on National TV at the Convention, all courtesy of Hillary and her comrades, the coffee will be brewing.
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Being cheated in smoke filled back rooms is one thing, but being dissed by Hillary on National TV is totally over the top.
If its close in delegates there will be a “floor fight” and I bet its over the “mystery” Michigan Delegates that Hillary “won” by default. Michigan was penalized their Democratic delegates because they changed the date of the Primary without permission, but Hillary went there anyway and “won”… and I bet at the Convention she will be “awarded” these Delegates…
Both Hillary and Obama think its “their time” for the nomination. Both sides don’t take “no” very well, and Hillary has already demonstrated that she is the Queen of Cut-Throat Politics.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - WoodlandsOwl - 01-27-2008 05:45 PM
OUGwave Wrote:Let me also point out that its pretty disingenuous for someone who continuously refers to Obama by the name Hussein to start complaining about the Clinton's use of racially charged language.
Its his middle name and I called him by his full name, just like he is referred to by several media commentators.
At least I didn't call him "Osama Obama" like Ted Kennedy did...
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - Fo Shizzle - 01-27-2008 08:47 PM
According to a unnamed source close to Bill Clinton...He cant stand his wife and is attempting to submarine her campaign....The source reports that Bill feels that he can get away with his plan since he has always been able to do just about whatever he wants to behind her back....The source says that Bill would rather die than have to be the "first man"....N;)othing could be more embarassing to him.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - Rebel - 01-27-2008 08:54 PM
Barack Jorge Obama is taking advantage of the fact that Hillary isn't very well liked. Good on him. Hillary's a self-righteous *****.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - dfarr - 01-27-2008 09:25 PM
OUGwave Wrote:Let me also point out that its pretty disingenuous for someone who continuously refers to Obama by the name Hussein to start complaining about the Clinton's use of racially charged language.
How so? It's the guy's name. How is calling a guy by his name racist? You liberals will try to make anything a racial issue.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - OUGwave - 01-27-2008 11:51 PM
dfarr Wrote:OUGwave Wrote:Let me also point out that its pretty disingenuous for someone who continuously refers to Obama by the name Hussein to start complaining about the Clinton's use of racially charged language.
How so? It's the guy's name. How is calling a guy by his name racist? You liberals will try to make anything a racial issue.
Quick -- What's John McCain's middle name? Ron Paul's? Mitt Romney's?
Don't look it up.
See -- there's a reason why you use Barack's middle name, and not theirs. And its meant to spread the notion that he is "not one of us"...
Don't play coy. Furthermore its ridiculous for someone who calls out the Clinton's for this type of dogwhistle politics to somehow play the babe in the woods routine when he himself does the same thing. That was my point above.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - Rebel - 01-27-2008 11:54 PM
OUGwave Wrote:Quick -- What's John McCain's middle name? Ron Paul's? Mitt Romney's?
Don't look it up.
See -- there's a reason why you use Barack's middle name, and not theirs. And its meant to spread the notion that he is "not one of us"...
Don't play coy. Furthermore its ridiculous for someone who calls out the Clinton's for this type of dogwhistle politics to somehow play the babe in the woods routine when he himself does the same thing. That was my point above.
Quick, what do you, and many other Libs, call George Bush? Answer "Dubya". Are we now to say you lose credibility for doing so? Take a step down from the Ivory Tower.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - Fanatical - 01-28-2008 09:14 AM
Slightly different situation due to Dubya using his middile initial so that people do not think he is his father.
If Obama loses to Clinton in Illinois, then he should just drop out.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - Bourgeois_Rage - 01-28-2008 09:44 AM
I've seen pro-Bush bumper stickers using the "W". So it's not only dems who use it.
This is what the sticker looks like.
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RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - Rebel - 01-28-2008 09:46 AM
Yeah, I know what it looks like. Now, is Barack ashamed of his middle name or something?
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - WoodlandsOwl - 01-28-2008 10:50 AM
OUGwave Wrote:Don't play coy. Furthermore its ridiculous for someone who calls out the Clinton's for this type of dogwhistle politics to somehow play the babe in the woods routine when he himself does the same thing. That was my point above.
Oh, you thinbk my using Obama's middle name is the same as Clinton's verbal dumps on MLK, African Americans etc.
Wrong bucko.. not even close..
But since you did bring it up, I'll loudly and proudly blow my dogwhistle on Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Its time "Barry" (as they called him at Harvard) directly addressed the issues of his once Muslim upbringing. Let "Barry" do it-- not one of his handlers. Let him on on the record and explain.
And if Romney's Mormon belief is a legit issue, so is Barry's "personal relationship (if any) with "Allah"
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - WoodlandsOwl - 01-28-2008 11:01 AM
OUGwave Wrote:See -- there's a reason why you use Barack's middle name, and not theirs. And its meant to spread the notion that he is "not one of us"...
Obama is a left-wing, borderline socialist, politician running for President.
Intelligent, educated, savvy, politically brilliant, but IMO his political opinions are a danger to the nation.
In that notion, he ISN'T "one of us"...
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - GGniner - 01-28-2008 11:18 AM
Barack Hussein Obama, full name. Which a Kennedy is trying to claim he's another jfk
2004: John Forbes Kerry(think JFK, get it)...
anyway, Bill suceeded at what he was trying to do in SC. Obama is still trying to play above the race card and claiming to 'transcend' the issue of race. Should be a fun week going fwd...
what will be interesting, seeing as how years of playing Identity Politics is coming back to bite them, will be if Obama would accept VP under Hillary(assuming she wins) and unite the party. If not, do black Dems come back and fully support Hillary? Probably. I think Obama is too smart to diss the Clintons publicly, but might let them know he would prefer to remain a Senator.
if Hillary gets the nomination, I expect much more of Bill acting Nuts to deter attention away from Hillary and on to him, for the rest of the year. Think the Chris Wallace interview, trying to divert attention from the ABC Docudrama.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - NIU007 - 01-28-2008 12:08 PM
I think eventually Bill will torpedo Hillary's chances. With Bill and Hillary both campaigning they have double the chance of saying something that will be taken as offensive or derogatory in some way. Just a matter of time. Although, Obama's campaign will still have to be careful about pointing out the inevitable "foot-in-mouth" statements made by the Clinton campaign, or he'll end up looking as bad as they do.
RE: Billary and "Race Relations" at what point will African Americans have enough? - WoodlandsOwl - 01-28-2008 12:20 PM
NIU007 Wrote:I think eventually Bill will torpedo Hillary's chances. With Bill and Hillary both campaigning they have double the chance of saying something that will be taken as offensive or derogatory in some way. Just a matter of time. Although, Obama's campaign will still have to be careful about pointing out the inevitable "foot-in-mouth" statements made by the Clinton campaign, or he'll end up looking as bad as they do.
While it may be their comments that get thim into trouble, I think its more likely that some underhanded political tactic at a State Party level, such as tossing Obama delegates at a Caucus, or a Clinton supporter manipulating voting at Obama-heavy precincts, or something like that.
There will be some nasty political battles coming up. Stay turned. I have my popcorn and beer handy and am ready to watch..